Why do people hate Vista but love OS X and/or Linux?

[dillon31292]

Vista is constantly checking to see if I stole it. Even changing a RAID setting will kill your activation, giving you 3 days to phone MS and beg forgiveness. That said, MS has never refused me an activation ever, though one time they were openly suspicious and hostile.

That's pretty hilarious since my current version of Vista is technically pirated and it never bothers me about it (I wasn't even aware that it does that). I have purchased Home Premium, however, but MS threw a {censored} fit when the legal activation code turned out faulty and wouldn't give me a new one.

[KeriJane]

That's pretty hilarious since my current version of Vista is technically pirated and it never bothers me about it (I wasn't even aware that it does that). I have purchased Home Premium, however, but MS threw a {censored} fit when the legal activation code turned out faulty and wouldn't give me a new one.

 

Hi Dillon!

 

I also resorted to "Piracy" in order to get a perfectly legal copy of Vista working without hassle. Having to re-activate weekly was just too much. The bootloader thing that made Vista think it was on an HP seemed to work best.... I could change any hardware or setting I wanted and it still worked. Vista seemed to run marginally better too.... maybe it wasn't checking as hard?

 

Keri

[DA_SONG_MAN]

What 3.4GHz CPU is this guy talking about cos it sounds like a Pentium D which is generally slow thats why I got my Core 2 Duo 2.33GHz o/c 2.88 E6550

[FrankOS_Scripting]

Two different technique to have a legit Vista installation.

First: OEM Certificate

Three commands and your done. Like an OEM PC. All updates works fine, extras in Vista Ultimate also.

Two: BIOS emulation

Then, you emulate at the starting of Vista, Certs on your Bios (if you don't have a new PC with SLIC table=Licensing embded on Bios), that work fine also.

 

And three: Stop the license service, replace token.dat by one crack and after change your licence key product with the same everybody use (with a tool provide by MS) and you're fine.

 

I don't know the hell you're saying it's dont't bother you and after you flame Vista from A to Z?!

 

Method 1: OEM activation Vista already installed:

1. Open an elevated command prompt with administrator rights and execute the following command to import the correct OEM cert:

 

slmgr.vbs -ilc <path>oemcert.xrm-ms ‘’Wait until windows pops up with a conformation-message. ‘’

For example, to import and install a Dell OEM cert for a Dell computer, execute (assuming the OEM cert is located at C:\ drive:

slmgr.vbs -ilc c:\dell.xrm-ms

2. Now type "C:\windows\system32\slmgr -ipk <PRODUCTKEY - SEE README>". Wait until windows pops up with a conformation-message.

3. Now type "C:\windows\system32\slmgr -ato ‘’Wait until windows pops up with a conformation-message.’’

This will activate OEM version of Windows Vista (or Windows Vista as OEM edition) once the digital certificate is loaded.

Your are activated!

[cain.]

Actually, I dunno. I used Vista for two months or so, then went back to XP, then went Mac.

I guess I just didn't fancy Aero and got fed up with classic (never liked the XP-designs either). Plus, all the UAC confirmations just SO pissed me off. I don't care whether ppl say it's lame to complain about them, I just hated them and after one week I didn't even bother to read them anymore so they didn't even really add security to my system.

[devilhood]

*sigh* another "save vista!" thread... move along people...

 

*cough* wrong kind of forum

[Poco]

Didn't you take theoretical foundations of computer science?

No not really. More what I wnated to say was that Vista itself is not slow its more what people put on it. I have a friend who had a MacBook and put Vista under boot camp and Leopard took just as long to load as Vista did and shuting down was the same thing. then he loaded all sorts of programs onto Vista and it slowed to a halt with tons of problems.

iPoco

[jvangent100]

Ah, but Apple is much more secretive than Microsoft in that sense. For all we know, they could've been planning Spotlight since 2000, but just never said anything until the launch of Tiger. They do like to keep new features hidden until they officially debut...

 

You can say Windows had "plans" for it, and that Apple wasn't first all you'd like, but that doesn't make it necessarily true. Microsoft also had plans for WinFS, and look how that turned out.

 

I seem to remember that they actually went a little bit further then just plans, they had them working in one of the earliest betas of Longhorn. They dropped it in later versions, only to re-introduce them in a slightly different form.

 

But wasn't apple the one that tried to file a law suite against Microsoft and HP for copying the GUI in the first place, didn't work out well for Apple....

[dillon31292]

I seem to remember that they actually went a little bit further then just plans, they had them working in one of the earliest betas of Longhorn. They dropped it in later versions, only to re-introduce them in a slightly different form.

 

But wasn't apple the one that tried to file a law suite against Microsoft and HP for copying the GUI in the first place, didn't work out well for Apple....

Apple didn't invent the GUI either nor did they have the first OS with a GUI. They were suing because these companies were using certain copyrighted elements from the MacOS GUI, not because they had GUI's.

[digitalr0gue]

I am not an Apple fanboy, nor am I a windows/linux/BeOS/nextSTEP/UNIX et. al. fanboy. I use several operating systems in my daily work as an IT specialist/software developer including, Mac OSX, Vista, Win XP, Server 2003, Server 2000, and linux (occasionally, although I have been a long time off and on user for the past 10-12 years since slackware 1.0 around '96-ish)

 

Nothing here is meant to be hostile, just my 2 cents from what I know and see, so here is my immediate response to your argument note by note:

 

"...but Vista has UAC!"

Linux and OS X have an equivalent. In Linux you have to go through a bunch of {censored} to do root-related tasks.

The only immediate problem I have with Vista UAC is that is constantly nags you every freaking time I execute an icon, change something, or breathe on the screen wrong. OSX semi-nags you, but is isn't QUITE as bad. Most linux distros allow you to store the credentials on a keyring server and only enter them once for s specified time period, or until logout. Pretty slick (albeit less secure than the nag method)

 

"...but Vista uses too much RAM!"

Leopard is a greedy little whore when it comes to RAM consumption too. Same goes for Linux when using things like Beryl, Compiz Fusion, and Emerald.

The whole RAM argument seems so superfluous these days with the low cost of memory chips. Most enthusiasts have 3-4gb+ anyway, with 2gb close to norm (on their main box, secondary and tertiary systems may have less, but that doesn't change my point.)

 

"...but Vista is incompatible with pre-XP Windows software!"

And said software can be magically installed in OS X or Linux without an emulator or virtualization program of some sort? No.

pre-XP software? Well, for starters, software companies had 1-2 years advance notice to get their collective sh*t together. As much as they bug me, can't really blame M$ for that one... Christ, how long did it take Creative Labs to get properly working X-Fi software/driver packages going for Vista 32, let alone Vista 64??? THAT was a great deal of the problem for the perceived issues with Vista when it went gold, not Vista itself so much. Granted, there WERE some issues within Vista itself, as all new releases, but 3rd party development KILLED initial Vista adoption, at least in the enterprise sector. My company won't touch Vista for at least 2 more years.

 

"...but Vista won't work out of the box with my hardware and I might have to search for the drivers!"

You would have to do the same with Linux. As for OS X, lol. Working out of the box on a select number of machines doesn't = compatible.

well, whoever complains about this needs to be shot on general principle. This one I agree with you completely.

 

"...but Vista copied OS X' Spotlight, widgets, and chess game!"

Apple introduced Spotlight two years after Gates said it would be in Vista, widgets were originally for Windows (konfabulator), and pre-95 versions of Windows had a 3D chess game similar to the one in OS X.

M$ copied Apple, Apple copied (absorbed) nextSTEP, they all copied (some argue stole) from Xerox Parc... this is another old argument... Sometimes a company does something well and others adopt it, put a twist on it, make it their own and implement a variation. It's called progress

 

"...but Vista's UI is too different from XP!"

And you think that you'll be familiar with OS X or Linux if you can't figure out how to get around in Vista?

yeah, I never understood that one either, lol

 

While I am an Apple/Linux fanboy (for OS X' GUI/software and Linux' customization), it always disturbs me when people say these things about Vista yet at the same time say that another OS (that they haven't even tried half the time) is better. Opinions?

 

there's my 2 cents.

 

dR

[Colonel]

"Great artist make, Greater Artist Steal"

You killed it.

 

It's, "Good artists copy, great artists steal."

 

Get it right.

[Guest iPod Hacka]

This thread is {censored}. VISTA SUCKS.

[BBrown]

This thread is {censored}. VISTA SUCKS.

 

Perhaps, but the reality is that Vista is the Global dominant operating system and is here to stay. It may be replaced by Windows 7, but that is about it. You can either choose to embrace Vista or XP or Windows 7 when it comes out through a dual or multiboot setup or shut any MS OS out altogether. It doesn't really matter, Microsoft and any OS they create is here to stay - it ain't going anywhere. It is literally become intwined in the fabric of society since such a large part of global businesses and users use it. The sooner Vista and Microsfoft Bashers accept this reality, the better off they will be.

 

FWIW, the only thing that I have issues with is Microsoft's Corporate greed. Their operating systems(Vista/XP) are grossly overpriced. Monkeying around with Vista, OSX, and linux allows me to enjoy the collective strengths of all the operating systems.

[cain.]

Perhaps, but the reality is that Vista is the Global dominant operating system and is here to stay. It may be replaced by Windows 7, but that is about it. You can either choose to embrace Vista or XP or Windows 7 when it comes out through a dual or multiboot setup or shut any MS OS out altogether. It doesn't really matter, Microsoft and any OS they create is here to stay - it ain't going anywhere.

 

You do realize that people used to say these things about sooo many other companies, do you?

[KeriJane]

Perhaps, but the reality is that Vista is the Global dominant operating system and is here to stay. It may be replaced by Windows 7, but that is about it. You can either choose to embrace Vista or XP or Windows 7 when it comes out through a dual or multiboot setup or shut any MS OS out altogether. It doesn't really matter, Microsoft and any OS they create is here to stay - it ain't going anywhere. It is literally become intwined in the fabric of society since such a large part of global businesses and users use it. The sooner Vista and Microsfoft Bashers accept this reality, the better off they will be.

 

FWIW, the only thing that I have issues with is Microsoft's Corporate greed. Their operating systems(Vista/XP) are grossly overpriced. Monkeying around with Vista, OSX, and linux allows me to enjoy the collective strengths of all the operating systems.

 

 

Hello.

 

Well, MS and Vista are here and do dominate right now. But to stay? I feel that their fundamentals are bad.

 

1- Vista may well dominate the consumer level new PC market but a lot of IT departments won't touch it. In fact, INTEL has publicly refuted Vista, announcing that Vista will not be used on Intel corporations computers. This is significant because Intel helped to create Vista and has a long-term profitable relationship with Microsoft.

 

2- The whole Price/Greed thing. Right now, MS XP and Office 2003 dominate the corporate world with MS trying to push Vista and Office 2007. Everyone is used to MS products. To re-train millions of employees would be prohibitive. But consider:

 

Vistas and Office 07 UI is different than XP. Re-training is necessary anyway.

Office 2007 documents can't be opened in previous versions of Office. This is already causing a stir.

Both Vista and Office 2007 are more "theft resistant" meaning bigger hassles and expenses for IT departments.

 

Linux has already swept through the Server markets. Cost= nearly nothing compared to hundreds of dollars. MS predicted that Linux would fail, saying that "Free" costs more than hundreds of dollars to get it to work. They were wrong.

 

OpenOffice does almost everything MS can do for free compared to hundreds of dollars per user. Right now, MS still dominates. But for how long?

 

Between OS and Office "Free" versus roughly $1000 per user? When a corporation has hundreds or thousands of users? It's only a matter of time.... Even "High Margin" Apple sells OS+Office app for less. Lookout when they get iWork to work.

 

3- MS is at the top of the software world. Where can they possibly go from here?

Down, mostly. With an indifferent and even hostile regard for their customers (who they apparently consider a load of thieves), 9.9 out of 10 Hackers trying to tear them down as well as several governments their days are numbered.

 

 

 

*Bash* *Bash*

Keri,

Owner of several (unused) MS licenses. from 3.1 through Vista.

[BBrown]

You do realize that people used to say these things about sooo many other companies, do you?

 

Absolutely. I do! But what are you implying?? Microsoft is going to go belly up because some people dislike them and their operating system. I guess anything is possible, although I highly doubt that. Time will tell. If I was a betting man, I wouldn't bet on Microsoft going out of business anytime soon and I certainly wouldn't bet that their operating system(s) will vaporize. Their greed and screwups with Vista may cause some users to switch to Linux or Mac OSX but that will be like a drop in the bucket for them if it happens. New and emerging software is almost always designed to work with Vista. I have yet to see commercial software, stating anywhere on the box that it was compatible with Linux and the Mac OSX equivalents tend to be more pricey. Vendors are paid my Microsoft to develop drivers for hardware, which almost always means that new hardware will work with Vista OOB with Vista, unlike Linux where you have to hunt down a compatible modem or printer that will work(no biggie for me as I like monkeying around with this s*it but likey a real PITA for most users who don't want to be bothered doing these things) or wait until some coder in the Linux open source community decides that s/he is going to volunteer his/her time to create a fix.

[apowerr]

Spotlight was apples first

MSN Desktop Search moves out of beta

Some within have claimed that Apple lifted the idea straight out of early builds of Longhorn. Apple, on the other hand, said publicly that the idea for Spotlight had been in the works for several years -- long before any inklings of improved search capabilities within Windows came out of Redmond.

Desktop Search was planned for Longhorn/Vista prior to the release of Mac OS Tiger. I'm not saying Apple hadn't planned on Spotlight prior to Microsoft betaing this feature in Longhorn, but the OP is right in that prior to Tiger's release Microsoft had a functional desktop search in development.

Source

First, the guy was funny. And he made some good points. But he stepped over the line, of course. He said that Microsoft was ripping off Spotlight with Windows Search in Vista, which in fact, had been developed and publicly discussed long before Spotlight ever saw the light. (To be clear, Apple borrowed that one from Microsoft, but implemented it much more quickly.)

vistas drivers fail.

What? Drivers for Vista are just like drivers for XP, with the exception of Vista SP1 having better out of the box hardware support than XP SP2. Windows Vista has the best hardware support out of any of the 3 OS's, theres no argueing that. OS X is designed for a few machines and Linux's support is getting better, but it still isn't on par with Window's.

Vistas and Office 07 UI is different than XP. Re-training is necessary anyway.

Office 2007 documents can't be opened in previous versions of Office. This is already causing a stir.

As far as the UI's go, Ribbon is easier to use than the complex drop downs and rows upon rows of buttons. Vista's UI is very similiar to XP, and I don't see how it could require re-training.

While I think Microsoft should have gone with 'truly' open formats, the new formats for Office 07 are a step in the right direction and offer smaller document sizes. Office 07/08 (Mac) can save in the old formats, and compatibility packs are available for older versions of Office. Microsoft wronged no one here.

 

I'm not a Vista advocate at all. Vista is too expensive and OS 10.5 is just overall better. Vista however, does not 'suck' and is a large improvement over XP.

[raven332]

YES. The pentium D.

 

NO its not THAT slow.try knoppix or ubunut or debbie, or tiger... (tiger overheats...issue is with the kernel core and speedstep instructions.)

 

XP and VISTA are nothing but eye candy.YEs I cant type worth -------------- .neither can you.

 

the config is fine. At one point even had an n980i nvidia board in it.3.5gb of ram most of time.

XP is a bludgen piece of .You cant downgrade anymore, but its still overpriced and M$ still owz you.

 

aparently you NEVER READ the EULA or Licence agreement upon installing the OS.Read it a little slower next time.

 

another thing, that bloody activation process.heaven forbid you need to change your hardware.and drivers.

HEH HEH had to install it the other day.needed ubuntu to grab my drivers.windoes wont find {censored}.thats up to the end user.linux has everything standardized built into the bootable kernel after about 3 seconds after boot.works out of the box with linux.

 

 

even with my BAD CPU, it still runs okay at 3.4. it had issues with 64 bit instructions and full speed due to its thermal integrity of the CPU.heatsink WAS fine.even failed under water-cooling.

 

the replacement CPU is much better.

 

and your core2 (whatever) runs even hotter than my old CPU.ever felt up a mini when its running? you could cook an egg on it.

 

dont know what im talkin bout huh?

 

 

TRY AGAIN.

 

beyond 800mhz, your cpu has to wait eternities for the rest of the hardware timings to keep up.HAvent you RTFM'd lately?They dont make 1600mhz+ ram chips, even now.

 

you hard drive is probly runing at or BELOW UDMA/100 anyway.IT cant get much faster.thats on SATA (UDMA/133)or using a 80-wire cable.

 

unless you are running a 4ghz (right, they have issues with hydrogen cooling at that speed.....) or are spending a fortune on your processor (GOD WHY?) I have the fastest thing out there.(this WAS intended.)ever noticed how fast cpu requirements jump in two-five years?

 

I have my reasons for leopard.and it does give me the beach ball far too often for intel code(64bit or otherwise).debbiie core and derivatives seem to run much better, though KDE has its loading delays because of all the libs needed and prelinking not enabled by default,I would hardly call it slow.

 

i think you need to know who you are talking to better before you go flaming HERE.most of us know a GREAT deal about several os'es.this place came about because most of us intended to install leopard or tiger and had some skills with *NIX, which apparently you are missing.this entails a great bit of hardware knowledge to be able to config and install, as OSX has issues with non-standard appple hardware sich as AMD cpu's or INTEL Pentium 4/D's or non-apple audio such as the ALC 88X or LAN cards, most of which drivers originated from *NIX, since that is the CORE of the OS anyway.

 

if your gonna flame someone, flame yourself.

 

YOU asked for my TWO cents.Now you have em.

[apowerr]

@raven332:

Incoherence- The lack of logical interconnection, overall sense or understandability.

 

Not only are your posts nearly impossible to read, their contents are also senseless.

unless you are running a 4ghz (right, they have issues with hydrogen cooling at that speed.....) or are spending a fortune on your processor (GOD WHY?) I have the fastest thing out there.(this WAS intended.)ever noticed how fast cpu requirements jump in two-five years?

Yeah, that Pentium D is insane!

[vbetts]

A Pentium D is not the best cpu out there...Not when you can take an E7200 and overclock it past 4 ghz, and have more cache, a smaller dye size, and a lot more fsb than the Pentium D. If you really think that the Pentium D is the fastest, you're totally off. Even at stock, modern core 2 duos kill the pentium D.

[CLiDE FTW!!1]

Google did instant desktop search and widgets/gadgets before Microsoft and Apple. And Google doesn't even make desktop OS's.

 

Fail.

 

 

lol @ pentium D. What a joke. Get a job, kids. A brand new core2duo translates to about 2 weeks of paper route collections.

[Poco]

Office 2007 documents can't be opened in previous versions of Office. This is already causing a stir.

 

Haven't you heard about the compatibility patch?

iPoco

[Colonel]

MSN Desktop Search moves out of beta

 

Desktop Search was planned for Longhorn/Vista prior to the release of Mac OS Tiger. I'm not saying Apple hadn't planned on Spotlight prior to Microsoft betaing this feature in Longhorn, but the OP is right in that prior to Tiger's release Microsoft had a functional desktop search in development.

Look at when that article was posted. Back in May of 05, when MSN Search JUST got out of Beta.

 

Move back a month, Tiger is just being released to the public with Spotlight completed and fully integrated.

 

Hmmm...

[Fishy80]

imho vista got a horrible rep because it was so widely distributed before it was out of beta, and so many people were getting beta copy's with bugs and incompatible drivers and whatnot, and not to mention UAC....

 

 

UAC being being the very first thing I disable when I re-install vista, I love vista, I want a mac (have a hac) but I do love vista as well...

 

I have yet to see anything other than OLD unsupported hardware or some creative problems that have not been solved with vista... other than that, vista is running fine with most people I think...

 

oh and about the office 2k7 stuff not opening in older versions... it will open, just depends on how you save the file... the new default format, is docx, you can save it as a normal .doc file as well...

 

 

thats just another example of people hating vista when it is their own ignorance that ails them

[dillon31292]

^Agreed.