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http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20080519#feature

 

If you believe online forums and blogs, Ubuntu must be the most hated Linux distribution on earth. Not only is it funded by a millionaire space tourist and aggressive capitalist, it also exists (according to another Linux company's CEO) for the sole purpose of destroying all other distributions that exist on the market. It is reportedly a parasite that takes all the code from Debian without contributing much back and despite all its "software for humanity" talk, it keeps developing proprietary software solutions (e.g. Launchpad). Mark Shuttleworth's recent suggestion to synchronise distribution releases in order to coordinate bug-fixing work was greeted with a suspicion that he merely wants "to benefit from a lot of work that Novell and Red Hat are already doing in the enterprise space." So what makes people dislike and mistrust Ubuntu so much?

 

I don't think it's specifically Ubuntu that many people have a problem with. Throughout the history of our coverage of distributions here at DistroWatch, it was always the top one that some readers appeared to dislike most. If you've been around in the early parts of this decade, you might remember that Mandrake Linux went through similar pains - it kept getting a high number of reviews, but it also attracted more than its fair share of negativity on user forums. Interestingly, now that it acts from the position of an underdog, it has suddenly become the darling of the distro world, with excellent products and barely any criticism - but also hardly any reviews. It is the same as when a group of unbiased spectators watches a sporting contest between a clear favourite and an unfancied underdog - they will undoubtedly support the latter with all their might! It's the human nature.

 

The fact that many people dislike the top distribution is not really a problem. The problem is that many of these folks are extremely vocal on the Internet to express their opinions. While no intelligent reader will ever take them seriously, they do give the Linux community a bad name and discourage potential Linux users from joining us. Can anything be done about this? Not much, it seems. Until people start reading their own posts and realise that senseless negativity towards the most popular distribution is counter-productive, we will have to live with the unfortunate fact that the top dog will always be the most hated one too - at least in the more immature and destructive circles on the Internet

 

And what a reader replied:

 

I don't believe the reason why Ubuntu is so hated is because it is the top one, at least not the only reason.

I believe it is more along the line why Lindows/Linspire was hated: not "one of us".

The reasons why I personally dislike it are:

1)It has never worked properly on my hardware (5 PCs)

2)They forked Debian. I never understood why that was necessary.

Debian has had hundreds of derivatives, but Ubuntu was the first one to fork.

3)Their aggressive marketing campaign: "Linux for humans", the free CDs... While of course there is nothing wrong per se with that, it seems unfair towards other distributions who can't afford to do what Ubuntu does.

 

There are more replies along that line.

 

I recommend reading them, it is quite an education:

 

http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20080519&mode=67

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The reason Ubuntu is hated is simple its Popular.

 

Before Ubuntu all you use the hear on the internet was "dont use Windows use a proper OS like Linux" Now all you hear is "don't use Ubuntu use a proper distribution".

 

A lot of Linux users just like to be different and don't like it when they are not. This is probably because if their different they also think their better than other people.

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Some of what those users say is true. Yes Ubuntu is nice for newbies but for Linux pros you can't stand it. Most pro Linux users ether use commercial distros or distros like openSuSE, Slackware, Debian, or Arch Linux.

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Normal B) , I don't think its normal for everyone to hate ubuntu.

 

I mean why would a Gentoo user hate Ubuntu, Gentoo has its own goals and Ubuntu has its own.

 

I have my own reasons to hate it.

 

1. Its name "Ubuntu", I hate the name, though its not a reason to hate the OS but I think the name sucks. I know it means humanity and {censored} but who cares cause I would have people laugh their ass of for a name like this, even vista sounds cool.

 

2. It doesn't give equal treatment all desktop environments, no reason to explain what this point means.

 

3. Its default look, its horrible ugly, I know linux is customizable and all that, but that is no excuse for making the system look ugly by default. Remember that looks is something that attracts a lot of users, I know people who tried out Vista as soon as they could after its release just because of the way it looked.

If u use your own theme, it will never look as good as lets say OS X and all the custom themes I use, I get bored of them in a while whereas I never even bothered to change the theme of my Mac cause it looks cool. :angel:

 

4. Bugs, I hate bugs. Ubuntu and Kubuntu r filled with loads of bugs, here is an example, try cutting and pasting a file with D3lphin in kubuntu 8.04 kde 3.5.9 and see what happens.

 

5. Their bug fixing policy, they don't even bother fixing bugs and if u complain, the response u get is either:

 

1. Its free, u have no right to complain.

 

or

 

2. Did u contribute? No, then get lost.

 

They really have to improve bug fixing.

 

6. No innovation whatsoever, please tell me one thing in which Ubuntu innovated instead, they r just copy cats!

 

7. Nothing unique, I mean look at their Kde 4 release, they haven't done anything to make it unique, its just the default upstream Kde 4.

 

8. They don't have GUI tools like Yast :D I could easily configure stuff in SUSE using Yast for which I need to use the terminal in Ubuntu, thats {censored} and new users shouldn't have to put up with that.

 

9. Power management, their power management could make me cry.......seriously it sucks horribly. Laptops on which opensuse could suspend and hibernate on since version 10.1, I have managed to get ubuntu to hibernate on them with Hardy Heron, now thats just lame. The power management is never 100% reliable either, like u suspend to ram once, then u suspend to ram again, and the 3rd time network manager doesn't wake up or the system just hangs and crashes and all your work is lost.

 

10. Updates breaking stuff, this has happenned to me many times, I do an update and all of a sudden something just stops working, even on windows nothing has ever broke for me while updating.

 

I will add more reasons soon. :D

 

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People don't hate Ubuntu cause its popular, if its popular u want to use it. Just like how if someone is popular I would try to get to know them and become their friends rather than hate them u know.

 

Windows is the most popular OS in the world, we don't hate it because its popular....lol.

 

We hate Windows cause windows SUCKS, simple as that.

 

As for being different, I really don't care about being different, people who use linux r already different, if I really cared much about being different then I would use BSD. :D Sure being different is good, but if the thing thats different is better than what everyone else has then its better to be unique, no doubt.

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Ubuntu enables people (human beings to be specific B) ) to use Linux on their desktop computers without having to read how to compile a module for card xy and so on.

It may not be #1 choice for a linux pro, but I think that's not the targetet audience. If other Distros want to gain market share they should to take a leaf out of Canonical's book.

 

Personally I never got warm with SuSE (used it since SuSE linux 5.9) As for me I appreciate the up-to-date repository. With Debian i had either do switch to "testing" or use unofficial packets in order to get something to work....

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snakeeyes and the distrowatch comment hit every point on the head. I agreed with the original posters first paragraph, but stopped when he suggested people hate Ubuntu for the sake of hating it. My problem with Ubuntu is simple: it Just Doesn't Work on recent hardware. Sure, Xubuntu runs like a champ out of the box on a pentium 3 and geforce 2 mx, but try getting Ubuntu to "just work" on an X48 intel chipset with a quad-core penryn, 8gb of RAM, and an ATI HD3870.

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knock knock, can i come in ?

 

anyways i use to be an avid linux user and i started off with openSuse, i progressed with it till 10.2, from there i moved to Tiger, and now leopard.

I personally hate ubuntu and it's because the marketing scheme as pointed... i actually ordered an ubuntu 7.10 cd online from Canonical and i actually got one within 2 weeks.. OMG, i didn't even want it, ubuntu default human theme reminds me of zombies.

while ubuntu did work on my hardware, it just plain didn't like it cause on most forums i'm on a poster goes :

 

poster : hey my windows sucks what linux can i try ?

reply : try ubuntu it's the best

 

the above is really g*y if you ask me... why not PCLinux ? or even sabayon ?

 

conclusion : ubuntu is for noobs and linux starters, i really can't see how a pro uses ubuntu.

 

cheers, thats my personal view

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Hey as we all know ubuntu 8.10 will have a new theme, here is a suggested mock up that looks more like {censored} than the current one:

 

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/In...et=NewClear.png

 

Anyone feels somethings like the buttons below the menu bar were taken from Aqua, like I said they were copy cats.

 

Do I see Aero like transparency? :(

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conclusion : ubuntu is for noobs and linux starters, i really can't see how a pro uses ubuntu.

 

But noobs need something which works out of the box without problems, which seems not to be the case according to many posts at DistroWatch and here.

Actually I have have given up trying to understand why it has so many bugs. Slackware takes everything without any modifications and it works like a champ, guaranteed. It looks almost as if bugs were introduced on purpose in Ubuntu.

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But noobs need something which works out of the box without problems, which seems not to be the case according to many posts at DistroWatch and here.Actually I have have given up trying to understand why it has so many bugs. Slackware takes everything without any modifications and it works like a champ, guaranteed. It looks almost as if bugs were introduced on purpose in Ubuntu.

 

Bugs r introduced while packaging software.

 

I don't think its on purpose, they just have crappy, lazy, copy cat developers.

 

Do I see Aero like transparency? :shock:

 

Like I said, COPY CATS! :(

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Cry Babies Association Incorporated :shock:

 

Welcome to and lets begin our first meeting.

 

Ladies and Cry Baby Germs!

 

First topic to discuss:

 

How much do we hate Ubuntu?

 

Second topic to discuss:

 

Who thinks the new theme mock up is {censored}?

 

Lets begin............ :(

 

Edit:

 

We have a cry baby association and ubuntu devs have a copy cat association. :)

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3. Its default look, its horrible ugly, I know linux is customizable and all that, but that is no excuse for making the system look ugly by default.

arhahahahah dude how did i not see your post !! lool , that made my day :wallbash::P

 

Remember that looks is something that attracts a lot of users, I know people who tried out Vista as soon as they could after its release just because of the way it looked.

 

yeah mate i agree, there's this forum I'm on and they always blattering on about the dumb a** aero interface. i don't see anything fancy with aero.. and then there's this so call dreamscenes... does dreamscene and aero help you in your daily task or workload ? HELL NO

i'd rather go with windows classic.

 

on topic : man u guys rock, never seen a place where people hate ubuntu so much !!! :P :P :unsure:

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Eye candy does help u in your work, os x has loads of nice effects like expose that helps me while working.

 

Whether or not a cool UI helps in working it still motivates u to use that machine for your work, and it makes the work more enjoyable, I enjoy working on aero more than windows classic but some people may have a different view.

 

These days systems have to be good looking, everybody likes a good looking system.

 

If windows classic is a better interface for productivity then maybe u can ask the ubuntu devs to make the default theme that. Let us enjoy our good looking systems with aqua and oxygen and aero :unsure:

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Doesn't Slackware focus on older packages the ones that have been stable and tested for a very very long time?

 

They try to make a fusion of both. That is some of the purest Linux on Earth ;)

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Gooo Linux elitists!!!

Good luck in founding the "I hate Ubuntu and my obnoxious opinion is on every single topic" Crybabies Association.

 

Actually did you read the first post carefully (the part written by Ladislav)?

It isn't against Ubuntu at all.

 

Doesn't Slackware focus on older packages the ones that have been stable and tested for a very very long time?

 

Not always. Take the latest release, everything is bleeding edge. No KDE4, though, Patrick doesn't use anything which isn't thoroughly tested. He did the same with Linux (the kernel) 2.6, he waited until it was rock-solid.

As to it being difficult, everything must be manually configured, but personally I don't find it a big deal.

What I really don't like is the absence of a "proper" package manager. Also, there are too few binaries for Slackware.

That is why at the end of the day I use OpenSUSE or Debian.

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I was refferring to

I said they were copy cats.

...this.

Why, because that argument is not real, though everybody started jumping around shouthing "copycats", I do agree that it is ugly as :censored2: though. Of course it is copycat but that image has nothing to do with the looks of the final release of Ubuntu 8.10 whatsoever. It is a mockup made by a user. Period.

I was a subscriber to the Ubuntu-art mailing list, and hundreds of mockups like this popped up every month. Some of them really made me puke, this is one of the reasons I've unsubscribed(the othoer one was that I got like 15 ubuntu-art mails every day:lol:).

Anyways, none of these mockups made it no more than just photoshopped images, and there is 95% chance that this is not going to change.

Kenneth Wimer(he is part of the team that made the Oxygen icon theme for KDE4) is the guy responsible for the looks of Ubuntu 8.04, and as I saw his past works, he's not gonna dissapoint ;)

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