kinkster Posted May 26, 2008 Share Posted May 26, 2008 I currently have XP on classic, look so much better then the "XP" look. What I dont like about OSX is the dock. Its far less practical then the windows bar. I also can't stand big icons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suzie's Soliloquy Posted May 26, 2008 Share Posted May 26, 2008 You can resize the icons in both OSes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kinkster Posted May 27, 2008 Share Posted May 27, 2008 Yeah I know I was just going a bit off topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwi89 Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 After customization Aqua is a lot nicer. But Aero is still really good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snakeeyes Posted June 1, 2008 Author Share Posted June 1, 2008 what kind of customization? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.SubZero Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 I think its Vista's fault that aero slows down since Vista it self is a resource hog, I think in windows 7 aero should be faster. Have you ever checked out Leopard's Activity Monitor? OS X is no lightweight. With 10.5.3, with Safari and Colloquy open, I'm using 1GB of RAM. In Vista x64, with IE and bittorrent running.. I'm using 1GB of RAM. I don't see the slowness problems with Aero that other people talk about. To me it's perfectly fast and normal. I did disable the "fade" animations, but it's still shiny and glassy. I move a window, it moves. I minimize/close/etc, and it happens instantly. Originally I tried using the "classic" theme, without Aero, but didn't really see any speed benefit to doing so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snakeeyes Posted June 1, 2008 Author Share Posted June 1, 2008 Have you ever checked out Leopard's Activity Monitor? OS X is no lightweight. With 10.5.3, with Safari and Colloquy open, I'm using 1GB of RAM. In Vista x64, with IE and bittorrent running.. I'm using 1GB of RAM. I don't see the slowness problems with Aero that other people talk about. To me it's perfectly fast and normal. I did disable the "fade" animations, but it's still shiny and glassy. I move a window, it moves. I minimize/close/etc, and it happens instantly. Originally I tried using the "classic" theme, without Aero, but didn't really see any speed benefit to doing so. Leopard runs perfectly fine with 512mb a friend of mine still has an old mac and it works decent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suzie's Soliloquy Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 But doesn't it adapt its memory usage according to available hardware? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snakeeyes Posted June 1, 2008 Author Share Posted June 1, 2008 But doesn't it adapt its memory usage according to available hardware? Exactly all Unix systems catch and hold a bunch of memory all the time so incase u open up a new program it loads up more quickly, even Vista does that now so windows manages memory just like unix systems now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suzie's Soliloquy Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 Precisely, you can't judge from Memory Usage, you'd need to use a benchmark or assess performance to gain an actual accurate comparison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vbetts Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 They both have their own style, that's definate. Would I say one looks prettier than the other? No. I enjoy both of their interfaces, except when you throw Aero into play, I love my glass borders and such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riemann Zeta Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 I like the Vista UI more than anything that MS has done before--it is far superior to XP's horrible cartoon/lego look. However, the Mac UI is still more intuitive and easier to use. Vista requires so many clicks, menus and buttons to actually get to things like preferences. For example, changing the permissions on a system file in Vista requires navigating through 5 or 6 options boxes with around 15 total clicks...and that is per file. Mac OS lets you use your computer how you wish, Vista assumes you are too stupid to be allowed access to your own machine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suzie's Soliloquy Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 In my opinion, Aero is more striking than the current Aqua, but after a while of using it seems superficial and topheavey, and Aqua's subtle elegance prevails greatly overall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InorganicMatter Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 Aqua, by an far, is the nicest looking one. Transitions are seamless, well thought out, and aren't over the top. I've never liked Compiz because it takes everything over the top to the point of just looking ridiculous. KWin4 is a newcomer to the "next gen" windowing, and I like what I see, but there are still a lot of bugs to be ironed out. Then there's Aero. Not by any stretch of the imagination as polished as Aqua, and certainly not as humorously over-the-top as Compiz. However, I like it. Why? Between all the window managers, it doesn't sacrifice productivity for visuals. Aqua is great, but I find myself waiting on it to finish animating far too often; like all things Apple, it prefers form over function. Aero prefers function over everything else. Some don't think it's animated enough, and it's not supposed to be. At the end of the day, Windows is still used 99% for work, and Microsoft considers that market above all else in decision making. Half a second times 50 times a day times 5 days a week times 52 weeks a year times 500 employees = a lot of wasted money. Assuming a very moderate $15/hour average rate among all employees, that's $13k/year in pure waste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snakeeyes Posted June 1, 2008 Author Share Posted June 1, 2008 Aqua, by an far, is the nicest looking one. Transitions are seamless, well thought out, and aren't over the top. I've never liked Compiz because it takes everything over the top to the point of just looking ridiculous. KWin4 is a newcomer to the "next gen" windowing, and I like what I see, but there are still a lot of bugs to be ironed out. Then there's Aero. Not by any stretch of the imagination as polished as Aqua, and certainly not as humorously over-the-top as Compiz. However, I like it. Why? Between all the window managers, it doesn't sacrifice productivity for visuals. Aqua is great, but I find myself waiting on it to finish animating far too often; like all things Apple, it prefers form over function. Aero prefers function over everything else. Some don't think it's animated enough, and it's not supposed to be. At the end of the day, Windows is still used 99% for work, and Microsoft considers that market above all else in decision making. Half a second times 50 times a day times 5 days a week times 52 weeks a year times 500 employees = a lot of wasted money. Assuming a very moderate $15/hour average rate among all employees, that's $13k/year in pure waste. Another thing about aero, compiz and kwin4 is that u can turn off the effects when u don't need them that will help u be more productive whereas with aqua the effects r part of the experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.SubZero Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 However, the Mac UI is still more intuitive and easier to use. Vista requires so many clicks, menus and buttons to actually get to things like preferences. For example, changing the permissions on a system file in Vista requires navigating through 5 or 6 options boxes with around 15 total clicks...and that is per file. Mac OS lets you use your computer how you wish, Vista assumes you are too stupid to be allowed access to your own machine. I don't understand (or necessarily agree) with these points. I would like you to give specific, real examples of what you talk about here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InorganicMatter Posted June 2, 2008 Share Posted June 2, 2008 For example, changing the permissions on a system file in Vista requires navigating through 5 or 6 options boxes with around 15 total clicks...and that is per file. Mac OS lets you use your computer how you wish, Vista assumes you are too stupid to be allowed access to your own machine. You're complaining that Vista is protecting critical system files from a reckelss user. This is a problem, how? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDRacer48 Posted June 2, 2008 Share Posted June 2, 2008 I like the Vista UI more than anything that MS has done before--it is far superior to XP's horrible cartoon/lego look. However, the Mac UI is still more intuitive and easier to use. Vista requires so many clicks, menus and buttons to actually get to things like preferences. For example, changing the permissions on a system file in Vista requires navigating through 5 or 6 options boxes with around 15 total clicks...and that is per file. Mac OS lets you use your computer how you wish, Vista assumes you are too stupid to be allowed access to your own machine. You obviously are, because it is really easy to turn that off. Let me help you out... Start Menu (that round blue windows button in the bottom left of your glowy picture thingy in front of you) > Control Panel > Classic View > User Accounts > Turn User Account Control On or Off > Reboot Glad to help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~pcwiz Posted June 2, 2008 Share Posted June 2, 2008 Its there as a security feature to prevent viral and in many cases unwanted processes more than to stop stupid users, although that also is a function. I also find UAC quite useful for the times where I accidentally clicked something and want to stop it without it wasting my time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fyuzebox Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 Vista looks much better if A) you are blind or you are high on crack.... IMHO I will say though that in standard configuration they are at least comparable. But once you customize them... Hands down Leo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snakeeyes Posted June 3, 2008 Author Share Posted June 3, 2008 Vista looks much better if A) you are blind or you are high on crack.... IMHO I will say though that in standard configuration they are at least comparable. But once you customize them... Hands down Leo. Yeah we r talking about plain Aqua and Aero, the way they look by default, any operating system can look good after customization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.SubZero Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 Vista looks much better if A) you are blind or you are high on crack.... IMHO I will say though that in standard configuration they are at least comparable. But once you customize them... Hands down Leo. Without resorting to 3rd-party apps, please tell me some ways one can "customize" Aqua. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synaesthesia Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 You can't really. Only minor things like icon size + spacing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAK5695 Posted June 8, 2008 Share Posted June 8, 2008 This is my experiment I took Vista Ultimate and skinned it to be leopard Windows aero transitions with The elegantness of Leopard The Only pull back is Safari(for Win) Just take a look at these snapshots Yes it is vista Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synaesthesia Posted June 8, 2008 Share Posted June 8, 2008 Nice. I guess Windows finally caught up with Mac OS Careful, I hope you know that Apple have patented the genie suck effect for minimizing windows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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