Yes, the cabling is basically just a bunch of extensions. Make sense as it allows the power supply to be easily removed. It would be an utter pain to have to remove the PSU if all the wiring actually ran down into the case.
I do not think you can just splice into the the PSU wiring to extend it. I know the one connector for the unlabeled plug by the memory risers is vastly different in size and pin density than the actually connector on the PSU. I did not bother to check the other connectors but they did seem to be of similar size as the logic board connectors.
If I had a Mouser catalog (printed), I am sure I could find out what connectors are being used. I know wish I had not thrown mine away when I moved.
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Digitalperformer, don't mean to chastise you, but, ApplePalace pricing is not really out of line. They pay the Apple/GSX price and mark up a reasonable amount. You want outrageous try WeLoveMacs ( aka, dba Memory X ), they go frickin' nuts on mark-ups. The cables are OEM'd to Apple/GSX by Foxconn in china.
That is the beauty of the MP 1,1 case, it has the bulkhead connectors for the PSU cables ( kinda rough if you have big hands like me though ).
A few words of warning re the power supply:
There is substantial DC Amperage in the output, be careful. As little as 50 mA across the chest can be fatal under certain circumstances.
The PSU output is near the range one might see in a plating shop rectifier ( 3-12 VDC @ 10's of Amps).
That is the beauty of the MP 1,1 case, it has the bulkhead connectors for the PSU cables ( kinda rough if you have big hands like me though ).
A few words of warning re the power supply:
There is substantial DC Amperage in the output, be careful. As little as 50 mA across the chest can be fatal under certain circumstances.
The PSU output is near the range one might see in a plating shop rectifier ( 3-12 VDC @ 10's of Amps).
BTW... you're not chastising me 
I'm glad to have you guys here.
. Once in a while we get to see a poor animal climb on top of our 138KV / 13.8KV transformer; last sucker (squirrel) blow it's legs off and tripped our feeder...
Nagal, my power supply that I got from applepalace is box labeled as #667-4309
Does this match yours?
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I'm glad to have you guys here.QUOTE (newtech @ Feb 12 2008, 07:03 PM) 
Digitalperformer, don't mean to chastise you, but, ApplePalace pricing is not really out of line. They pay the Apple/GSX price and mark up a reasonable amount. You want outrageous try WeLoveMacs ( aka, dba Memory X ), they go frickin' nuts on mark-ups. The cables are OEM'd to Apple/GSX by Foxconn in china.That is the beauty of the MP 1,1 case, it has the bulkhead connectors for the PSU cables ( kinda rough if you have big hands like me though ).A few words of warning re the power supply:There is substantial DC Amperage in the output, be careful. As little as 50 mA across the chest can be fatal under certain circumstances.The PSU output is near the range one might see in a plating shop rectifier ( 3-12 VDC @ 10's of Amps).
Thanks newtech... I understand just a little frustrating/annoying when cabling is outrageously priced. Not to worry newtech, I'm a gas turbine controls technician (power generation); also Polytechnic for Electrical Engineering. I eat three phase 440Vac and Sh*t 13.8KV... I would love to run one of my G.T's (24 MW Max) and power a super super super duper computer . Once in a while we get to see a poor animal climb on top of our 138KV / 13.8KV transformer; last sucker (squirrel) blow it's legs off and tripped our feeder...QUOTE (nagal @ Feb 12 2008, 06:57 PM)
Yes, the cabling is basically just a bunch of extensions. Make sense as it allows the power supply to be easily removed. It would be an utter pain to have to remove the PSU if all the wiring actually ran down into the case.I do not think you can just splice into the the PSU wiring to extend it. I know the one connector for the unlabeled plug by the memory risers is vastly different in size and pin density than the actually connector on the PSU. I did not bother to check the other connectors but they did seem to be of similar size as the logic board connectors.If I had a Mouser catalog (printed), I am sure I could find out what connectors are being used. I know wish I had not thrown mine away when I moved.
Nagal, my power supply that I got from applepalace is box labeled as #667-4309
Does this match yours?
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Looks just like my PSU and I sure hope so because that is the same part number I ordered. Not sure why you posted the pic of the connectors near the memory raiser slots but that looks just like mine as well.
QUOTE (nagal @ Feb 12 2008, 08:56 PM)
Looks just like my PSU and I sure hope so because that is the same part number I ordered. Not sure why you posted the pic of the connectors near the memory raiser slots but that looks just like mine as well.
Just wanted to confirm that we received the same power supply.. the MLB was to show that it's a 2007 model... Also it's for on lookers who are interested... One thing about the mac pro is that I haven't been able to find really detailed "close up" photos of it's components; I want to start a photo gallery.Here is what my build will look like - KEEP IT REAL OL' SCHOOL YO'
That picture of the APPLE I takes me back a ways, wasn't at the HBCC meetings but heard about them first hand. Was still learning BASIC on HP-2000/3000 at that point. Got my first APPLE II+ in late 1980 just after DOS 3.3 came out.
QUOTE (digitalperformer @ Feb 12 2008, 03:45 PM)
nagal awesome work!!! You're the man!!! A little confusion, in essence the four bundles of cables are just extenders from the power supply's connectors to the logic board receptacles; for example pin # 1's wire from the power supply will correspond to pin one of the receiving MLB receptacle, as if it was directly plugged into the logic board without the bundle extender. I was thinking of saving 200 bucks by extending the power supply leads by splicing longer wires in between the PS and the immediate connector; applepalace rapes on frickin simple 12 and 10 conductor molex connectors and wires; $49-54 per bundle... OHHHH Please... $2 for a pair of those molex connectors and wire is practically nothing; I think I'll make those bundles and sell them for cost and shipping... I hate consumer raping!!!! I'm really happy that there is so much interest in building genuine mac pros... I've been reading very encouraging entries and admire the ambition. I'm half-way complete with parts purchases, and ultimately strive to show that it's possible to assemble a fully functional mac-pro (not a hackpro but custom) that undercuts a retail model ($3033.00 after taxes) of equivalent specs for $1000-$1200 less. If you own a mac-pro, and aren't intimidated by looking inside your tower, please help in the quest for knowledge by posting closeup photos, descriptions; if possible simple circuit reverse engineering with a multimeter ( Like Nagal's great reference on the Power Supply) to simplify a circuit i.e front panel board... I'll do my best to do same but I'm trying to limit my purchases to essential mac components necessary to get the computer to function. My contributions will be based on substitutable components. Thanks everyone!
My Mac Logic Board ver 2 (MacPro 2,1) Octo dates 2007... # 667-4307
My Mac Logic Board ver 2 (MacPro 2,1) Octo dates 2007... # 667-4307
Very nice digitalperformer, more pics plZ! if you can...
How much did you get the 2.8 GHz Harptertown Quad-cores for? Are you comparing with 2007 Mac Pro pricing or early 2008 revision?
..and is that an internal firewire 800 port i see at the bottom rightish of your motherboard picture?
QUOTE (gramarye @ Feb 13 2008, 08:27 AM)
..and is that an internal firewire 800 port i see at the bottom rightish of your motherboard picture?
there is a cable that runs from that port to the front panel assembly and I have always assumed it was a simple firewire 800 cable and that is how they connect the front panel firewire ports to logic board.
QUOTE (nagal @ Feb 13 2008, 08:33 AM)
there is a cable that runs from that port to the front panel assembly and I have always assumed it was a simple firewire 800 cable and that is how they connect the front panel firewire ports to logic board.
The FireWire PHY is near that port and the rear ports, all ( 400/800 ) on the same bus.
QUOTE (gramarye @ Feb 13 2008, 11:27 AM)
Very nice digitalperformer, more pics plZ! if you can... ;)How much did you get the 2.8 GHz Harptertown Quad-cores for? Are you comparing with 2007 Mac Pro pricing or early 2008 revision?..and is that an internal firewire 800 port i see at the bottom rightish of your motherboard picture?
Hey dude... I'm gonna get the Harpertown 2.5 Quads... http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList....amp;srchInDesc=So what if these processors are not 2.8 Ghz... for $370 per the 2.5's are not a bad deal... especially for 2007's mac pro specs. Even up to date, the pricing for the build will be a lot more competitive for the build.Yeah it's a firewire 800.. it takes a standard fw800; just a patch.Opinions on this as a possible case for the build? It's gonna to be interesting trying to fit a WTX form factor logic board into it... I'll get it to work!!!!
I also found a mac pro case... I'm hoping for that instead... will mod the crap out of it
digitalperformer,
I had a thought. Have you tried plugging the power supply connectors directly into the logic board? If everything lines up (except for the one connector which I know is too big), then you can reuse those connector just by extending/rewiring as need. Then you would only have that one connector to hunt down.
I had a thought. Have you tried plugging the power supply connectors directly into the logic board? If everything lines up (except for the one connector which I know is too big), then you can reuse those connector just by extending/rewiring as need. Then you would only have that one connector to hunt down.
QUOTE (nagal @ Feb 13 2008, 01:47 PM)
digitalperformer,
I had a thought. Have you tried plugging the power supply connectors directly into the logic board? If everything lines up (except for the one connector which I know is too big), then you can reuse those connector just by extending/rewiring as need. Then you would only have that one connector to hunt down.
I had a thought. Have you tried plugging the power supply connectors directly into the logic board? If everything lines up (except for the one connector which I know is too big), then you can reuse those connector just by extending/rewiring as need. Then you would only have that one connector to hunt down.
Hey Nagal. Yeah the four bundles attach, that was my first game plan of splicing the PS leads to elongate them. That medium receptacle shouldn't be hard to track down... Hardest part be will to nicely crimp the inserts; gonna go it with my trusty electricians lineman. I will eventually make my own convertor cables to make any high powered PS mac-pro compatible; Just need the beast up so I can reverse engineer the power supply... I hate waiting for the parts!!! Do you have any Molex connectors at work that you can reference to help in the hunt down process. Tons of molex on mouser; I can guesstimate by measuring but don't want to waste time with trial and error.
Listed1st.com has added more comments over at http://www.o0o.it/pro/ recently in regards to 54xx Xeons. I am encouraging him to come here and post along with the "usual suspects".
QUOTE (newtech @ Feb 13 2008, 02:07 PM)
Listed1st.com has added more comments over at http://www.o0o.it/pro/ recently in regards to 54xx Xeons. I am encouraging him to come here and post along with the "usual suspects".
I talked to him via email and also encouraged him to come over here. He did read the thread and said he was going to try the 54xx in a Mac Pro 2,1 if he had one. Have not heard anything else from him since I emailed him instructions on how to hack the About This Mac to show the correct processor names.
so nagal, about that watercooling? =]
Water cooling will only achieve less fan noise, with the BSEL mod he is as over clocked as a Xeon can get. MP OEM fans are rather quiet so I say water cooling is too much trouble to persue based on the return.
Yeah but water cooling is a hell of a fun project to work on; not just interested in a one... two... thank you over type of project.
i just think water cooling is great. and i would love to watch someone try it out in a mac pro =]
Hey Hey Eyerybody!
Thanks to Nagal & NewTech for the invite! Turns out I don't have a Mac Pro 2,1... I was hoping one of the newer models I acquired would be one. Personally I'm doubtful that they will work. What I've read about other server boards running the Harpertown is that the chipsets support it, but they need a BIOS Flash, Personally I'm not expecting Apple to toss that into the next EFI update.
Brings a question to mind... Would we be able to snag the EFI from the Mac Pro 3,1 and flash a Mac Pro 1,1 or 2,1 for that oh so coveted support?
As far as for those of you who have asked what happened when I installed the e5420's in the 1,1 system: Nothing, nothing at all. the drives did spin up, no "Chuuuummm" or anything. I'm struggling to remember, but I believe the bright red CPU error lights also came on.
One questions I have for ya'll: Anyone here skilled at supercooling LGA771 sockets? I'm sitting on a pair of 2.66GHz Intel ES Clovertown chips that WILL Overclock to 3.3GHz! When overclocked, PowerFractal clocked in at 94 GigaFlops! The only problem is it takes a bit of cooling to keep the system stable, i.e. frosty heatsinks. I emptied an entire can of dust off (Upside down of course) and completely froze the CPUs, (Used the Dynatron H53G Pure copper heatsink). I had about 5 minutes of pure bliss before the thaw. I'd love to hear any suggestions, room temperature it seems is just not going to cut it. I put a pair of ultras high speed fans on the H53Gs, (and obviously tried the stock MP Heatsinks with serious airflow).
-J
Oh, and just for kicks I've included this link
http://www.hackaday.com/2008/02/11/window-...c-water-cooler/
Thanks to Nagal & NewTech for the invite! Turns out I don't have a Mac Pro 2,1... I was hoping one of the newer models I acquired would be one. Personally I'm doubtful that they will work. What I've read about other server boards running the Harpertown is that the chipsets support it, but they need a BIOS Flash, Personally I'm not expecting Apple to toss that into the next EFI update.
Brings a question to mind... Would we be able to snag the EFI from the Mac Pro 3,1 and flash a Mac Pro 1,1 or 2,1 for that oh so coveted support?
As far as for those of you who have asked what happened when I installed the e5420's in the 1,1 system: Nothing, nothing at all. the drives did spin up, no "Chuuuummm" or anything. I'm struggling to remember, but I believe the bright red CPU error lights also came on.
One questions I have for ya'll: Anyone here skilled at supercooling LGA771 sockets? I'm sitting on a pair of 2.66GHz Intel ES Clovertown chips that WILL Overclock to 3.3GHz! When overclocked, PowerFractal clocked in at 94 GigaFlops! The only problem is it takes a bit of cooling to keep the system stable, i.e. frosty heatsinks. I emptied an entire can of dust off (Upside down of course) and completely froze the CPUs, (Used the Dynatron H53G Pure copper heatsink). I had about 5 minutes of pure bliss before the thaw. I'd love to hear any suggestions, room temperature it seems is just not going to cut it. I put a pair of ultras high speed fans on the H53Gs, (and obviously tried the stock MP Heatsinks with serious airflow).
-J
Oh, and just for kicks I've included this link
http://www.hackaday.com/2008/02/11/window-...c-water-cooler/
Welcome listed1st,
X5350 ES would be good candidates for water cooling. Firmware flashing is my research project. Best bet is to snag the 3,1 firmware from an updater or firmware restore CD if/when it gets an update like 1,1 and 2,1 have had.
My thinking is that 54xx needs a newer SMC firmware than 1.7f(x) ( as on MP1,1 ) perhaps SMC 1.15f(x) ( as on MP2,1 ) will accept them. the EFI firmware should be processor agnostic.
X5350 ES would be good candidates for water cooling. Firmware flashing is my research project. Best bet is to snag the 3,1 firmware from an updater or firmware restore CD if/when it gets an update like 1,1 and 2,1 have had.
My thinking is that 54xx needs a newer SMC firmware than 1.7f(x) ( as on MP1,1 ) perhaps SMC 1.15f(x) ( as on MP2,1 ) will accept them. the EFI firmware should be processor agnostic.
Would it be possible to copy the MP EFI with external hardware (or even software) and rewrite to another X86 motherboard that is EFI capable? Has anyone come across a researcher in this field?
Sorry if this has been covered before, but I couldn't find it.. where would you get a Mac Pro motherboard? I tried googling it up over and over, but I can't find.. is it even possible?
I would certainly be interested in building my own Mac Pro.. I am already wiring my hackintosh into the G5 case atm
I would certainly be interested in building my own Mac Pro.. I am already wiring my hackintosh into the G5 case atm
The SMC and EFI firmware a very hardware specific. My best guess is the MP 1,1 or 2,1 firmware *might* work on an intel 5000XVN board as that is the board MP is based on. Though I'd suspect a few patches would have to be made to accpet the non-Apple ID_strings embedded in the board. Even then I forsee it would be much the same as the developer boards that Nagal and I have used.
QUOTE (radov4n @ Feb 14 2008, 09:18 AM)
Sorry if this has been covered before, but I couldn't find it.. where would you get a Mac Pro motherboard? I tried googling it up over and over, but I can't find.. is it even possible? I would certainly be interested in building my own Mac Pro.. I am already wiring my hackintosh into the G5 case atm
Nagal and I both got developer boards from Mac-Pro for $487.50, best to steer clear as firmware wont update. ApplePalace sells service part boards for >$800.00. I found a Board on eBay a while back that I picked up for $250.00
QUOTE (Listed1st.com @ Feb 13 2008, 08:47 PM)
Hey Hey Eyerybody!
Thanks to Nagal & NewTech for the invite! Turns out I don't have a Mac Pro 2,1... I was hoping one of the newer models I acquired would be one. Personally I'm doubtful that they will work. What I've read about other server boards running the Harpertown is that the chipsets support it, but they need a BIOS Flash, Personally I'm not expecting Apple to toss that into the next EFI update.
Brings a question to mind... Would we be able to snag the EFI from the Mac Pro 3,1 and flash a Mac Pro 1,1 or 2,1 for that oh so coveted support?
As far as for those of you who have asked what happened when I installed the e5420's in the 1,1 system: Nothing, nothing at all. the drives did spin up, no "Chuuuummm" or anything. I'm struggling to remember, but I believe the bright red CPU error lights also came on.
One questions I have for ya'll: Anyone here skilled at supercooling LGA771 sockets? I'm sitting on a pair of 2.66GHz Intel ES Clovertown chips that WILL Overclock to 3.3GHz! When overclocked, PowerFractal clocked in at 94 GigaFlops! The only problem is it takes a bit of cooling to keep the system stable, i.e. frosty heatsinks. I emptied an entire can of dust off (Upside down of course) and completely froze the CPUs, (Used the Dynatron H53G Pure copper heatsink). I had about 5 minutes of pure bliss before the thaw. I'd love to hear any suggestions, room temperature it seems is just not going to cut it. I put a pair of ultras high speed fans on the H53Gs, (and obviously tried the stock MP Heatsinks with serious airflow).
-J
Oh, and just for kicks I've included this link
http://www.hackaday.com/2008/02/11/window-...c-water-cooler/
Thanks to Nagal & NewTech for the invite! Turns out I don't have a Mac Pro 2,1... I was hoping one of the newer models I acquired would be one. Personally I'm doubtful that they will work. What I've read about other server boards running the Harpertown is that the chipsets support it, but they need a BIOS Flash, Personally I'm not expecting Apple to toss that into the next EFI update.
Brings a question to mind... Would we be able to snag the EFI from the Mac Pro 3,1 and flash a Mac Pro 1,1 or 2,1 for that oh so coveted support?
As far as for those of you who have asked what happened when I installed the e5420's in the 1,1 system: Nothing, nothing at all. the drives did spin up, no "Chuuuummm" or anything. I'm struggling to remember, but I believe the bright red CPU error lights also came on.
One questions I have for ya'll: Anyone here skilled at supercooling LGA771 sockets? I'm sitting on a pair of 2.66GHz Intel ES Clovertown chips that WILL Overclock to 3.3GHz! When overclocked, PowerFractal clocked in at 94 GigaFlops! The only problem is it takes a bit of cooling to keep the system stable, i.e. frosty heatsinks. I emptied an entire can of dust off (Upside down of course) and completely froze the CPUs, (Used the Dynatron H53G Pure copper heatsink). I had about 5 minutes of pure bliss before the thaw. I'd love to hear any suggestions, room temperature it seems is just not going to cut it. I put a pair of ultras high speed fans on the H53Gs, (and obviously tried the stock MP Heatsinks with serious airflow).
-J
Oh, and just for kicks I've included this link
http://www.hackaday.com/2008/02/11/window-...c-water-cooler/
Welcome aboard!
As far as your cooling goes those Dynatron are not the best heat sinks out there. I tried some in mine board and was highly disappointed and they are now sitting in a box in my closet. The Thermalright HR-01 X gave me a 15C drop easily compare to the pure coppers. I did not have fans on the coppers I used but I do not have fans on my Thermalrights either, just the 2 front fans in the Mac Pro case. This is where I got my HR-01X and be warned they are huge! http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/thhrforinxe5.html
As for water cooling. I still want to do it but its all about money and time now. There are other things I want to spend the money on and I want to spend the time using my computer for a change
I doubt the 3,1 EFI would work at all on the older boards as the 3,1 uses the 5400X chipset. As for the 54xx working in a 2,1, if anyone has a pair and is in Southern California, I'd be more than will to meet up and we can swap them into my computer to see what happens. Other than that, we have to wait for digitalperformer to report back.
On the CPU heat sink sensor front, still nothing. The diode's I got are surface mount and I am afraid my sloppy soldiering skills fried the diode when I tried attaching it to a cable. I might try to hunt down some diodes in TO-92 package and give those a try.
The SMC and its firmware has to recognise the 54xx processor just to power up and do POST's, before gettting to the point where EFI firmware does its thing. The SMC is active all the time the machine is plugged in, even when powered off. The SMC literally activates the mains for the PSU and sends the CPU's their start-up power and reset vector.
Awesome! I just ordered a pair of those heatsinks, cross my fingers, I hope they'll do well enough to get me a 3.3GHz MP. If my system will run at 3.3GHz, I'll buying Nagal a box of Snickers!
Also I saw on the site the Arctic Cooling Accelero S1, If you're like me you enjoy a silent system, and that fan on the x1900XT is like a jet engine! I've been using the S1 for about 6 months and LOVE IT! I did get the turbo cooler kit, totally silent, makes a huge difference.
Any ideas on how I could make unstable chips stable? 4 pair of 2.4GHz CPUs will not overclock to 3.0GHz, I get the power button of death if I hit 100% CPU load.
Also wanted to let y'all know the best place for memory is omnitechnologies.biz Love them. Fast, professional shipping, the EASIEST RMA process I've ever had. Excellent ram. Amazing price. They have 2GB FB Dimms for $99 each, I'll contact them early next week to see if I can persuade them to give a discount to forum members, I think they might go for it!
I've already bought 64GB of FB-DIMMS from them.
I also have a guy who buys up the 1U and 2U heatsinks. He pays $25 a pop for the H53G or P0018, I found even on ebay they are tough to sell!
And now for my last thought of the night, what are your (speaking to all the readers here) favorite shared computing programs? SETA@HOME, Folding@HOME... Is there a team already established from the Hackintosh community I should join, or should we create our own and show the other teams the true power of the Hackintosh?
Also I saw on the site the Arctic Cooling Accelero S1, If you're like me you enjoy a silent system, and that fan on the x1900XT is like a jet engine! I've been using the S1 for about 6 months and LOVE IT! I did get the turbo cooler kit, totally silent, makes a huge difference.
Any ideas on how I could make unstable chips stable? 4 pair of 2.4GHz CPUs will not overclock to 3.0GHz, I get the power button of death if I hit 100% CPU load.
Also wanted to let y'all know the best place for memory is omnitechnologies.biz Love them. Fast, professional shipping, the EASIEST RMA process I've ever had. Excellent ram. Amazing price. They have 2GB FB Dimms for $99 each, I'll contact them early next week to see if I can persuade them to give a discount to forum members, I think they might go for it!
I've already bought 64GB of FB-DIMMS from them.
I also have a guy who buys up the 1U and 2U heatsinks. He pays $25 a pop for the H53G or P0018, I found even on ebay they are tough to sell!
And now for my last thought of the night, what are your (speaking to all the readers here) favorite shared computing programs? SETA@HOME, Folding@HOME... Is there a team already established from the Hackintosh community I should join, or should we create our own and show the other teams the true power of the Hackintosh?
Bumping up the core voltage may increase stability for OC'ing those 2.4's. Easier to accomplish in windows using OC tools.
Out of curiousity what sSpec are those 2.4's?
sSpec ES 2.4's I have seen...
QQYK ( Nagal's, seem to be have max multiplier of 8 Rather than 9 ) Fam 6 mod 15 stp 4 [B0]
QQYH Fam 6 mod 15 stp 4 [B0]
QQNA Fam 6 mod 15 stp 5 [B1]
QUQI ( Mine, Very stable at 3.0 ) Fam 6 mod 15 stp 7 [B3]
QLGZ ( Mine, on backup board ) Fam 6 mod 15 stp 8 (?) [C0]
Out of curiousity what sSpec are those 2.4's?
sSpec ES 2.4's I have seen...
QQYK ( Nagal's, seem to be have max multiplier of 8 Rather than 9 ) Fam 6 mod 15 stp 4 [B0]
QQYH Fam 6 mod 15 stp 4 [B0]
QQNA Fam 6 mod 15 stp 5 [B1]
QUQI ( Mine, Very stable at 3.0 ) Fam 6 mod 15 stp 7 [B3]
QLGZ ( Mine, on backup board ) Fam 6 mod 15 stp 8 (?) [C0]
I have some QLXB and QUQI that won't overclock...
QUOTE (Listed1st.com @ Feb 14 2008, 07:04 PM)
Awesome! I just ordered a pair of those heatsinks, cross my fingers, I hope they'll do well enough to get me a 3.3GHz MP. If my system will run at 3.3GHz, I'll buying Nagal a box of Snickers!
Also I saw on the site the Arctic Cooling Accelero S1, If you're like me you enjoy a silent system, and that fan on the x1900XT is like a jet engine! I've been using the S1 for about 6 months and LOVE IT! I did get the turbo cooler kit, totally silent, makes a huge difference.
Any ideas on how I could make unstable chips stable? 4 pair of 2.4GHz CPUs will not overclock to 3.0GHz, I get the power button of death if I hit 100% CPU load.
Also wanted to let y'all know the best place for memory is omnitechnologies.biz Love them. Fast, professional shipping, the EASIEST RMA process I've ever had. Excellent ram. Amazing price. They have 2GB FB Dimms for $99 each, I'll contact them early next week to see if I can persuade them to give a discount to forum members, I think they might go for it!
I've already bought 64GB of FB-DIMMS from them.
I also have a guy who buys up the 1U and 2U heatsinks. He pays $25 a pop for the H53G or P0018, I found even on ebay they are tough to sell!
And now for my last thought of the night, what are your (speaking to all the readers here) favorite shared computing programs? SETA@HOME, Folding@HOME... Is there a team already established from the Hackintosh community I should join, or should we create our own and show the other teams the true power of the Hackintosh?
Also I saw on the site the Arctic Cooling Accelero S1, If you're like me you enjoy a silent system, and that fan on the x1900XT is like a jet engine! I've been using the S1 for about 6 months and LOVE IT! I did get the turbo cooler kit, totally silent, makes a huge difference.
Any ideas on how I could make unstable chips stable? 4 pair of 2.4GHz CPUs will not overclock to 3.0GHz, I get the power button of death if I hit 100% CPU load.
Also wanted to let y'all know the best place for memory is omnitechnologies.biz Love them. Fast, professional shipping, the EASIEST RMA process I've ever had. Excellent ram. Amazing price. They have 2GB FB Dimms for $99 each, I'll contact them early next week to see if I can persuade them to give a discount to forum members, I think they might go for it!
I've already bought 64GB of FB-DIMMS from them.
I also have a guy who buys up the 1U and 2U heatsinks. He pays $25 a pop for the H53G or P0018, I found even on ebay they are tough to sell!
And now for my last thought of the night, what are your (speaking to all the readers here) favorite shared computing programs? SETA@HOME, Folding@HOME... Is there a team already established from the Hackintosh community I should join, or should we create our own and show the other teams the true power of the Hackintosh?
Have you considered Kingston RAM? These are 8gb (2 x 4gb) set of FB-DIMM modules going for $330. (That's $165 for each 4gb module) + a Lifetime Warranty
http://shop.kingston.com/partsinfo.asp?pro...R667D2Q8F5K2/8G
Just thought I'd share in case any of you guys are interested, since I believe, the Mac Pro Logic board (like most server boards or any 5400 chipset board) takes FB-DIMMS and I think, if i had a server board, I'd jump in on this, I have a feeling it won't be around for long. They sell those ram heatsinks (like apple ram) separately as well.
That is a good price for 4GB module! But you still really want to run multiples of 4 memory modules to take advantage of the quad channel memory buss.
On another note, I am happy to report CPU heat sink sensor success!
I stopped at my local Radio Shack and picked up two 2N3904 transistors in T0-92 package. I got home and cut the thermistor of the thermal sensors I bought before that did not work. I did this because the sensor had the 2 pin plug that mates with the jack on the logic board. I then soldered one of the wires to the base and collector of the 2N3904 and the other wire to the emitter (as shown SMSC doc newtech linked to). I plugged it in and nothing. On a hunch, I rebooted the computer. After it came back up, I launched Hardware Monitor and there it was, my sensor reading the same as the on board ambient air sensor! Its reading the same because I dont have the sensor attached to the heat sink, its just hanging around by the exhaust fan. I just need to figure out how to attached it to the actually heat sinks. I am thinking of just using some RVT.
The cost on this is about $10 for both of them I forgot where I got them but I got 2 thermal sensors like these http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/flatthersen.html for around $8 shipped and the 2N3904 from Radio Shack were $ .79 each.
Once I get both attached then I should be able to put the Apple OEM fans back in
On another note, I am happy to report CPU heat sink sensor success!
I stopped at my local Radio Shack and picked up two 2N3904 transistors in T0-92 package. I got home and cut the thermistor of the thermal sensors I bought before that did not work. I did this because the sensor had the 2 pin plug that mates with the jack on the logic board. I then soldered one of the wires to the base and collector of the 2N3904 and the other wire to the emitter (as shown SMSC doc newtech linked to). I plugged it in and nothing. On a hunch, I rebooted the computer. After it came back up, I launched Hardware Monitor and there it was, my sensor reading the same as the on board ambient air sensor! Its reading the same because I dont have the sensor attached to the heat sink, its just hanging around by the exhaust fan. I just need to figure out how to attached it to the actually heat sinks. I am thinking of just using some RVT.
The cost on this is about $10 for both of them
I forgot where I got them but I got 2 thermal sensors like these http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/flatthersen.html for around $8 shipped and the 2N3904 from Radio Shack were $ .79 each. Once I get both attached then I should be able to put the Apple OEM fans back in
QUOTE (nagal @ Feb 15 2008, 09:06 PM)
That is a good price for 4GB module! But you still really want to run multiples of 4 memory modules to take advantage of the quad channel memory buss.
Once I get both attached then I should be able to put the Apple OEM fans back in
Once I get both attached then I should be able to put the Apple OEM fans back in
Thanks for the tips about 4 memory modules for "quad channel bus" < never heard about that. Is this an apple exclusive thing? or for all motheraboads (including PCs)
And as for teh Apple OEM fans, are they superior than the Thermalrights?
Nice Nagal, can you put a pic up when you get the sensors attached.
Regards.
Regards.
The Quad Channel memory is not an Apple exclusive it is part of the 5000/5400 series chipsets. I do not know if the Apple fans are superior but the logic board has integrate fan speed control. For the fan controller to work you need to use PWM fans which the Apple fans are.
Yes, I will post up some pictures here shortly. As soon as I get some coffee in me I am going to finish making them.
Yes, I will post up some pictures here shortly. As soon as I get some coffee in me I am going to finish making them.
nagal im pretty interested in your awsome building of a mac pro but do you know how much it would cost me to build a macbook pro?
QUOTE (Naruto Uzumaki @ Feb 16 2008, 09:44 AM)
nagal im pretty interested in your awsome building of a mac pro but do you know how much it would cost me to build a macbook pro?
No idea really but I can easily bet it would cost more than actually buying a MacBook Pro. The only reason the Mac Pro builds work cheaper is the availability of getting the CPUs, memory, hard drives and optical drives for a good bit less or (as in the hard drives and optical drives for me) reusing existing ones.
On the sensor side, here are the pics. Looks like I fried one of the transistors when I was re-soldering the first sensor I made so there was not so much extra cabling. Oh well, I will dig 4 quarters out of my change cup and go get another one
Here is the wiring cut down to size. The little black dot thing above the first wire is one of the transistors for the sensor. If you think that is small, you should have seen the surface mounts ones I tried working with!
Sensors assembled
Close up of the sensors. My soldering job could win the worst soldering job award without question.
And one of the sensors attached. I decided to use electrical tape and then a strip of duct tape to hold it in place. I will go back and find a better solution but for now it works.
And a screen shot of Hardware Monitor. You can see CPU A Heatsink is reading 36 C MORE than CPU B Heatsink. To verify it was not reading correctly, I removed it from the heatsink to just read the air temp and there was no change. I fired the transistor for sure. The issue is my soldering iron is 40W so it is easy to do. Really need a 25W solder iron. I can see that once I ge
From this screen shot of Hardware Monitor you can see that getting the CPU B Heatsinks sensor working has the Fan CPU/Memory running at its minimum which means less noise. I believe once I remake the CPU A sensor, the other two fans will run at a lot lower speed.
Heya, we all know arctic silver is good stuff, grab some of the adhesive, most likely what's used at the factory.
http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/araltherad.html
http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/araltherad.html
wow is all i can say, really cool project
I've never purchased much from MacMall, I love refurbished items, they have serveral hard drives listed, I've heard the Hitachi's described as the "Deathstar" and I've been told Maxtor is to be avoided, what hard drives do you (collectively) prefer? Typically I've used Western Digital. Any preferances?
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I have always used Seagates and nothing else. I have only seen a hand full of hard drives die in the 15+ years I have been heavily involved in computers and most of them were Western Digitals.
I just learned something that I'd like to see if anyone else has been able to verify... Apparently the new Harpertown Mac Pros will not run Tiger, thus the problems with Protools users (Protools isn't quite Leopard Compatible yet). Wonder how this relates to the Harpertown in the old Logic boards, more changes than we thought?
Also: Tom's Hardware has just released a detailed CPU Cooler comparison, the ThermalRight is a heavy hitter:
http://www.tomshardware.com/2008/02/20/cpu...2008/page8.html
Also: Tom's Hardware has just released a detailed CPU Cooler comparison, the ThermalRight is a heavy hitter:
http://www.tomshardware.com/2008/02/20/cpu...2008/page8.html
nice..
So has anyone ever used the "Dempsey" Xeon processors in the Mac Pro? I'm thinking I may, just for kicks. Their speed is extremely high, up to 3.7GHz, but the performance o one of those units would probably be about that of the 3.0GHz "Woodcrest". Plus I hear they are great at overclocking. I've got a pair of 3.43GHz Dual core CPUs, I may just toss them in and see!
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Has anyone ever seen a RED Mac Pro LogicBoard like this!? I'm very very intrigued...
QUOTE (Listed1st.com @ Feb 24 2008, 11:20 PM)
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Has anyone ever seen a RED Mac Pro LogicBoard like this!? I'm very very intrigued...
Whoa... an old prototype? or current? Very interesting. Where did you find this picture?
It's a systems, that functions, I actually just bought it! It'll be here end of this week! Definitely stay tuned for complete details! I'm going to toss in a pair of 2.4GHz Clovertowns! All the seller knew was
"Don't really know what it is. The motherboard said "APPLE" on it. I have BOOT this board with a bootable cd. the pictures show that the ITEM have sucessfully boot up. The items are apple board; power supply, cdrw/ dvd rom. The system is built into a FULL STEEL CASE @ 50lbs"
Looks like the seller used "BartPE" to boot the unit, more details as they arrive...
"Don't really know what it is. The motherboard said "APPLE" on it. I have BOOT this board with a bootable cd. the pictures show that the ITEM have sucessfully boot up. The items are apple board; power supply, cdrw/ dvd rom. The system is built into a FULL STEEL CASE @ 50lbs"
Looks like the seller used "BartPE" to boot the unit, more details as they arrive...
Cool find Listed and can't wait to find out more about it! Even the memory risers are red. Weirdness.
As for the Dempesy, meh. If I doubt the 3.7 even comes close to the performance of the 3.0 but if you got em, toss them in and see what happens. I have never heard anything good about the performance of the Dempesy compared to the Clovertons.
As for the Dempesy, meh. If I doubt the 3.7 even comes close to the performance of the 3.0 but if you got em, toss them in and see what happens. I have never heard anything good about the performance of the Dempesy compared to the Clovertons.
I'm just curious to see if I can overclock the 3.43 to 4.3GHz! I'll let you know when the CPUs arrive as well.
Just found a guy on ebay selling an EFI Flashed 8800GT, wonder if it'd work on the '06-'07 MPs?
Just found a guy on ebay selling an EFI Flashed 8800GT, wonder if it'd work on the '06-'07 MPs?
Nagal any news on the Firmware issue? Can you now receive updates from Apple. I'm asking now because of the latest iTunes Release and perhaps some other stuff!
Thanks!
Thanks!
QUOTE (Listed1st.com @ Feb 25 2008, 12:17 PM)
I'm just curious to see if I can overclock the 3.43 to 4.3GHz! I'll let you know when the CPUs arrive as well.
Just found a guy on ebay selling an EFI Flashed 8800GT, wonder if it'd work on the '06-'07 MPs?
Just found a guy on ebay selling an EFI Flashed 8800GT, wonder if it'd work on the '06-'07 MPs?
From what I have read, no. The 8800GT and the 2008 Mac Pros are using EFI64 while the older Mac Pros use EFI32.
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Nagal any news on the Firmware issue? Can you now receive updates from Apple. I'm asking now because of the latest iTunes Release and perhaps some other stuff!
I get Software updates just fine but until they release a Firmware update I have no idea if it will work. My logic board actually has a firmware newer than the latest Mac Pro firmware update.
Okay! Sad news! I installed the "Dempsey" CPUs in the Mac Pro and just got 2 CPU Error lights :-P Anyone know why? (Other than they are not supposed to go in a Mac Pro!). Or was it the fact that the guy just stuck 4 CPUs in foam and they were scraping up against each other in the box.
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