http://apcmag.com/5049/10_reasons_not_to_get_vista

Sorry, another anti-Vista article presented by me. Maybe one too many, but I felt this one was too good to miss.

dude..don't you want to post any anti-mac articles? hoho..

Are you that worried that people will switch?

It's inevitable. Sooner or later everyone will be on Vista.

Other things you've heard before:
"No one will switch to XP"
"No one will ever need more than 640k"

agree..with microsoft agressive marketing couple with its OEM deal with pc maker, vista will be dominating..

dominating, but the same as xp

Change is inevitable, yes... but I'm not yet convinced MS's Vista will be the computing center of the world in the coming years. Right now, I think it safe to say we're in the middle of a toss-up with Novell doing very well and Apple swelling. I could readily see the tides drastically (slowly but surely) changing depending on everyone's chess moves. Particularly if OSX gets licensed I think we'll see Vista crushed...

The main reason I say this is because of MS greatly hindered reputation, security (validations etc), potential (maybe not) mass viruses... etc. I'm simply not sure how well the public will respond.

Me? I'm still on a old P4 workstation w/ 1GB RAM and 64MB video... but an upgrade in the near future I've never had any of the dreaded Microsoft issues/viruses. But I don't plan on purchasing Vista until at least one major update is released. Just as I didn't upgrade to XP until just before SP2...

If Apple wants to gain more mainstream marketshare, they should give other manufacturers the option to install it on their computers as well.
Because the current run of crap hardware isn't doign them much good. MBP's are failing left right and center.

your arguement will be valid if other players do something that increase the awareness of end user to their OS..as for apple the price need to be revised IMHO if they do want to gain more share in pc market..and for linux they need to get together to progress furher i mean the developers, companies, enthusiasts and stop arguing about proprietary vs non-proprietary.. if not..than microsoft will still dominate even though slowly..

p/s:sorry if my english is not good..it's not my mother tongue..

I agree, their laptops are really not up to par with Apple's long establish superiority in the mobility sector. I've own many G4's and had very few issues that were immediately resolved. I just hope these issues aren't here to stay and Apple irons them out with time since the switch is arguably very young.

I'm extremely disappointed in my MBP (purchased in March)... Don't get me wrong, it's great when it works

I think for Apple to start gaining more marketshare, they're going to have to add more diversity to their hardware, fitting more price ranges. There is no doubt that Vista is going to dominate the OS market, simply because it is Windows. And I thinkt that Vista is a BIG improvement over XP. Everything is more streamlined, and some of the new features make it hard to go back to XP. That's not to say that I wouldn't rather be in Tiger...

I think this is the key... very few people even need a core 2 duo in their computer (no need to pay for it). Just as many people want "real" video card for games or what have you but don't need TWO woodcrest chips...

nice post..agree..

I am not worried, but I want to do my (very small) part to show people that they don't have to switch to Vista, that it is far from inevitable and that there are alternatives.
Of course if my name were S.J. I'd have in my hands the power to change the world: just license OS X to Dell, HP, Sony, Lenovo...

And of course there is the Linux alternative. It is better than ever. However the problem with Linux is its tremendous fragmentation. If somebody with really big money (Google?) created their Linux distribution, that could change the world of operating systems as well.
Microsoft is weaker now than it has been for years. However it is extremely important that the other players play their cards well.

This is not the right place
(Not that I would anyway)

That was said by Bill Gates. Logical conclusion: nobody will ever need Windows.

From the rebuttal, this one is priceless. . If you own a Mac or a PC and use open source alternatives, Microsoft can't own you. Open source is the way to go .

/me makes sure his arse is where he left it and not within Redmond's reach.

I know bill gates said it.
Reality is, that everyone uses window, as Apple only has about 2.3% of the market.
Now, if Apple was smart, at this point in time, they should stop making computers with, and just make the OS, and let PC manufactureres
offer it as an option to Windows.
It's not as if their new computers are anything to write home about, quality wise.

theres not a single apple tv ad aired in new zealand regarding macs. its so sad.

the few most significant changes on vista that i can tell are networking, the search; a hell of alot like macs have always been anywhere up to 5 years ago, its prettyness; typical of microsoft to make it like windows 95 again after 5 releases, it just has a round start bar this time, um.. that noone has made virises for it yet.. give it a few months, the security just tells warns u a whole lot of the time 'this file could be dangerous, we recmomend u dont get it.. we wont let u get it anyway'

havent really had that big a play with it, it makes ur life easier for alot of basic things anyway.. ive actually forgotten what this topic was about

I had heard something about a GoogleOS a while back, kinda figured it would've been out by now... oh well.

I thought that OS was an old April Fools Joke by Google O_o. Maybe Im wrong though.

10 Reasons that make sense.

Exactly. That is why I felt it was a good article.

And to those that want "10 reasons to not get osx", well you ARE on a mac site and anyway, OSX isn't flawed like Vista.

DirectX 10 is a big problem that will make people want to buy it. Once games become DX10 only, everyone will have to buy Vista. And since it seems like they did cripple OpenGL, it puts more pressure on developers to make DX10 only games. Its not the tech-savy people that will suffer Vista, its the regular user who doesn't know what DX10 is and follows Microsoft's ads about you needing DX10 to live =/.

Maybe, maybe not. How many regular users do pc gaming? I would suspect not many. And those that do are into WOW and such, and will NOT need to upgrade. The console gaming with Xbox Live is taking the casual gamer by storm and I think many just use the pc for downloads, chatting, email, etc. Gaming is moving away from PCs so D10 isn't a clencher like you may think. Plus, will companies program D10 only? No. Why would they and lose sales? If I was a game company, I would program the game with D9 and D10 in it, not just the new one that almost NOBODY uses. If I did do D10 only, then I piss all those that want to buy my game, since they have to upgrade to Vista and upgrade video card. No flaming you, but not happening there! Microsoft can't make any user or company do anything. D10 isn't going to be all that instantly cause it is to much to force users to it. Most games will have D9 compatibility.

No Google Linux yet, but something is moving nonetheless:


http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/22/technolo...amp;oref=slogin

I can debunk all 10 right here right now

1. If you have read into any articles about how security has changed in Vista, it is a mandatory upgrade (www.twit.tv/sn)

2. If you compare it to any other windows release, they cost about the same, and many people already own XP or 2000 so the upgrade option is available.

3. Countries other than the US have been screwed when it comes to electronics forever, I don't see why this would be any different.

4. Who doesn't want new hardware?

5. Like every other Windows release had a majority of drivers available at launch.

6. Many anti virus programs don't work because Microsoft is enforcing the ability to limit programs from hooking into the kernal, making it more secure.

7. As I said earlier, more secure.

8. UAC has got its heart in the right place

9. DRM is bad, but its not like everything else isnt locked down these days.

10. Oh please, you could pirate windows and do the phone activation, no sweat.

All of those are good, but eh...

thats so stupid.
sorry. but that thing has been discussed a thousand times in these forums...
if apple would be dumb, they would be releasing it for all those unsupported types of hardware!

dont you people think before you post?

it would bring apple nothing else than trouble...

Bill Gates Did It Again!!

i think the existance of this very board proves you are wrong.

There have been plenty of rebuttals and counter rebuttals:

http://cogscanthink.blogsome.com/2007/01/21/538/

http://benhay.blogspot.com/2007/01/10-reas...ons-not-to.html

http://apcmag.com/5082/10_reasons_you_should_get_vista

http://apcmag.com/5097/in_response_to_10_r...ot_to_get_vista


I only want to consider your point 4:

"Who doesn't want new hardware?"

I beg your pardon? Do you believe everybody is a rich pig who can't wait to spend thousands of bucks just in order to run Vista? The vast majority of people I know have old computers and they don't even consider buying new ones.

I disagree here, strongly. Apple wouldn't have to care about unsupported hardware. That would be left to the large computer manifactures.
On the other hand History has proven that if your OS is in most computers, that gives you an enormous power, a lot more than selling computers to a tiny percentage of the population.

IT'S THE DAMNEST THING...

I TURN TO THE TECH SECTION OF THE SAN JOSE MERCURY:

"11 REASONS WHY TO GIVE VISTA A CHANCE"

computer manufacturers would also have to use certain hardware to ensure compability with os x - and that is not so economic for them, i think. and this is what matters. even if apple would count on those manufacturers, they still would have to deal with all those crappy usb-devices, scanners and stuff of the last 10 years...and that is just too much work...

the next thing is that their hardware sales would be going down - apple is a hardware-company, dont forget that. only with their os x-sales, they would be nothing.

thats just my opinion, i would call apple stupid if they would open the gates to all that crappy peripherals and stuff they never had to deal with - that is my real concern! windows tried to manage it, and lost in every possible way...

I don't see why not. If many of us have built perfectly compatible hackintoshes, just by using off the shelves components, I don't see why Dell or HP couldn't, but at a much lower cost for them.



Yes, we have heard that so many times... And yet who has more money and power: Apple which sells hardware or Microsoft which sells "only" software?
And besides I am totally unconvinced that if Apple licensed OS X to others their own sales would go down. In time the opposite could be true.

Being a student, I know where you are coming from when the subject of the cost of Vista comes up. My point wasn't "who doesn't like spending money" it was "Who doesn't like new hardware" Meaning, Vista would be a good excuse to upgrade your current PC. Besides a PC that is about 1 or 2 years old can hadle vista fine. Hell Im right in from of my custom PC woth an AMD sempon 802 MHz processor, 512 MB of RAM, a 40 gig HDD and 5200 series Nvidia Graphics card. And Vista runs ok and Aero works. Not the fastest thing ever, but workable.

I need no even one reason for getting Vista

Same here.

BUT

since I still boot to Windows to play games (errr a game) I am sure in a couple years I will be forced to buy a Direct X 10 video card and at the same time buy Vista just to play a game. Then again I might just say no thanks and find another form of entertainment.

Not my case but if I want to support my customers in the future I end with Vista somehow

Another BS article with ignorant praise.

1. It does many things you can't do with XP and basically everything you could do in XP has been vastly improved. Only a moron who has barely used Vista outside of going "Hey, a Sidebar and Flip3d" would say that.
2. Most people do not buy it and the prices, when compared to XP launch prices are on par except for Ultimate. Also, there are Student and Upgrade versions available and everything quotes Ultimate for the reason it's so expensive, well, don't freaking buy it, at most people will need Home Premium and I'm telling you now, that will be the dominate install.
3. See above and in Australia we get screwed in prices on pretty much everything so this isn't solely a Vista problem.
4. See Vista Mythbusters #1: It’s not a hardware hog.
5. Within a few months this won't be a problem and I'll take a guess that the only people buying in those months are those 'informed' ones.
6. Very few do not work and Firefox works basically perfectly fine except for a few minor things.
7. .. this is just getting stupid.
8. So, Microsoft finally implements decent user security and design and you all moan, good job, really. Also, on RTM the whole "UAC IS ANNOYING AS HELL" isn't really that true anymore.
9. The DRM in Vista has been vastly overblown and if you do not attempt to use DRM content, you'll be fine. Also, Apple has had TPM chips on their hardware for how many years, and it has been used in OSX yet no one cares, no bias there.
10. I'd have to double-check but I believe all the licensing issues they point out have been fixed - Microsoft listened to the complaints and changed.

Other than being basically completely wrong it was an absolutely awesome article.

I agree with #1, I can actually do more with XP (More working apps, better driver support) the only reason I would upgrade is for DX10 (DXX?) I think Halo 2 is designed for DX10, and I wouldnt be surprised if it were hacked to work with XP(DX or Halo)