hey i am back. my exams finished ....ok g_face2k i have an idea i dont know it works or not.....as qemu is opensource(most of things r written in assembly c c++) can any of expert in this forum copy the sse2 emulation code in that and merge with already existing sse3 layer?.....i meen sse3 emulation layer.....

Waht about linux bios?, i think that is the best, and SSE->SSE3 emulation idea, is out, we need programers, good programmers and nobody but us are interesed on this

i dont know how it is...is it better? how is speed in that.....i went to coreboot site and downloaded it....but i dont know how to use it....can u help me@nd®£§§!!

ok, basically LinuxBios (now coreboot), replaces your system bios with linux, so you have to flash your BIOS (if you are going to try, you better try on a comp you are not using), and it takes about 3sec from cold start to get a Xserver, without any harddrive or pre-installed os, and LinuxBios has qemu inside, so, from X, you can start qemu, make a script and start OSX from a hardrive.

I Ignore, if linux bios can detect the harddrive so qemu can start osx from a HD, otherwise, qemu has to be patched for sse3 emulation and ACPI, i think first, we have to build qemu so it can start osx .iso and sse3 stable, .. blah blah.... then flash old pc´s using linuxbios and the put "stable qemu" on linux bios, make a script and then OSX could start like native

but can i run win lin bsd natively using linuxbios like a normal bios?....anyway will try it inside vmware...who cares if vmware bios gets scroved up...............

srivathsa, I Doubt you can flash vmware bios..

I'm extremely interested in this as well, owning an Athlon XP 2400+ that I would love to put OS X on. Unfortunately my talents in the computer programming arena are about as useful as Paris Hilton's talents in the acting/singing/anything else arena.....

hey onemore thing ....i think i wont be able to install any os natively?....

At this point I know this is a rhetorical statement but I think its worth asking the question. Even (as fantastic as it would be) if you do manage to package together a combination of corelinux and qemu to emulate SSE3/2, would other system incompatibilities be a huge problem due to the age of the hardware? Im drawing my point from the process I'm currently going through with one of my laptops (acer travelmate 240) which has SSE2 processor but is almost impossible to get leopard working on (I have 10.4.1 working).

Dont get me wrong at all, I really want this to work as I have two other systems that I would like to get running even 10.4.1 at least. Just asking a question.

Qemu emulates hardware (i think) so maybe drivers for "OSX qemu emulated hardware" can be written and all of us (SSE2/3 -Less) would be using the same qemu for runing osx so will be using the same drivers ... i think, if don´t we have to find a way.

No one knows good programmers interesed on this?
Maybe if we offer a payment

I took a long break from messing with my method, it started to piss me off. Any way I modify the dragon slax iso, basically put it on a diet. It uses a total of 156MB after loading Xorg using fluxbox, this is great cause it uses less memory than dragons iso. The problem is that even on my 1.2Ghz P3 it still runs slowwww! I'm gonna try to make a module using the stuff in this website http://alex.csgraf.de/self/?qemu/ , I hope to get a speed increase using this method.

On the core boot topic, the problem is that it doesn't work with a lot of the P3 mother board chipsets (I have the Intel 815 & 830) so it would limit who will actually benefit from this, especially laptop users. I wonder if it would be easier to find a cpu socket 370 converter (I know there used to be Pentium 1 to Pentium 3 converters) to plug in a pentium 4 and just do OSX natively that way OR via qemu+kqemu (if mother board chipset incompatibilities).


Well scratch that last one, I guess you can go P1 to P3 but P4's FSB is totally different so no P4 to P3 converter.

all the best.....

Is This Dead (again)????

this topic is a staggering zombie, it isnt going to die

Well... with TOH , Kalaway and iATKOS...

Why should we use Qemu? =P

TOH, Kalaway, iATKOS..... Don´t understand, some info please

Ok, Ok I Know i must google it before posting.... so i found iATKOS, (uphuck), is a leopard DVD that let install Aditional Software, drivers etc, so your hackintosh can work well, but the question is ... is able ToH, Kalaway. or iAtkos to install SSE patches for our machines? or we have to run iATKOS under qemu?.. waht´s the poitn with that?

Those names I mentioned Enable you to Install Leopard on a PC with SSE2 (such as an Intel Pentium 4 processor, for example). The idea of using Qemu was to permit users to emulate a SSE3 (Dual Core Processors) environment for SSE2 processors...

So you see, in my opinion, there is no need for Qemu.

*There are also Patches for the mentioned DVD installers for AMD processors*

cruxado u r totally confused.....
qemu emulates sse2 not sse3(sse3 is half done i think)
iatkos kalyway have sse3 emulated kernel(wont run on sse only sys) so it emulates sse3 instructions for sse2 sys.....
so to install these os on an old sys u need sse2 emulator ie qemu.....

yeah but we can install iATKOS under qemu, and that must work without make any modifications to qemu

dead again?......
common people let us discuss abt this (anything u know abt running leo or tiger on old sys)......

anybody ?....interested or not?

I was just testing the Qemu option to install Tiger on a P4... I was never developing anything. Try contacting the other memebers... like Dragon. Either that... or buy a new machine! jejeje... they are pretty cheap now a days.

Best of Luck!

to me?....
i have 2 system one new and another old....me too testing like u in my old sys.....

how is boches is it better ?.....

So has this actually worked for someone? I'm considering purchasing a new rig, but I has socket A, meaning no SSE2! If it does work, how well does it work? Thanks!

nop, it hasn´t worked yet, but we´ll keep trying...

Found a few interesting posts from a few guys talking about this very topic at http://forum.insanelymac.com/index.php?sho...t=0#entry177972 . Interestingly, theres a person or two who say they could do it and are willing to participate in a team to complete this project.

Ok, the process they are talking about is different but they are talking about the same end result but without emulation which has to be a better option.

@all
well i have done it with the help of my system1 c on signature....
first installed jas 10.4.8 in vmware selecting intel packages although i have amd system(intel package should be selected compulsarily)....
then using qemu-img i converted it to raw format...ok next it ran successfully in qemu.......

srivathsa - what exactly did you get to work? was it usable? does the machine lack sse2?

ya my old sys lacks sse2 support.....chk my siganture...ya it was usable but very slow...

what i got is a working osx in sse only system through emulation.......

cool, well done

@srivathsa, no ofense intentions, but, wasn´t it alredy done yet?, run an image from a pre installed system under qemu?....

obviously i think ...but nobody told it in forum so i just put it as reference for those who didnt get success ...

a nice guide Dragon, thank you for helping people who need it

soon as my exams are over, I'm going to have a go at OS X Server in Qemu

has anyone tried Leopard yet?

Ok, well I've had enough. Sold me old sse laptop and bought a core 2 duo 2.3ghz with 2gb ram off dell outlett store delivered for 250 euro. Couldnt take it anymore. Installed Kalyway straight away on an external drive effortlessly. I wish ye all the best.

has anybody seen this http://www.idebox.net/Site/main.html sse only support added in uphucks new project...may be releasing in the month of july...it is universal

iDEBOX seems to be the solution for people who have not sse, sadly i just got my sse3 comp, but still i m so interesed on helping !!

I'll do that, with a retail install I will mod according to how Qemu want's it

I got leopard workin in qemu. wasnt that hard but it might have been accidental here is what i did:

1. made everything on my sse3 windows comp ( so it would install faster )
2. installed it
3. transfered qemu manager from program files to tinyxp on mi laptop and ran from there.
works perfectly.

If Anyone needs it here is my guide


1. download Tinyxp rev9 (torrent)
2. install tinyxp Bare without driverpacks on the sse only comp
3. if u want tiger,download qemu manager and continue to step 4, else goto leopard
4. download tiger if u havnt already and install it in qemu manager
5.your finished


:leopard
goto another comp(with sse3) and install leopard on qemu manager, then transfer everything in you qemu manager folder (if u installed it its usually at program files) to ur sse1 comp

You think this method will work for SSE2?

I've been going like crazy trying all sort of Leo DVDs Distros on my P4 computer.. and no go. Not even using VMWare.

I'll try this out as soon as I can... though I can't say I've ever used Qemu Manager. Think you can post a guide on what you did?


Thanks

Goddamn, the last processors to be released with SSE only were Athlon XP and Pentium III!!! Give it a rest guys. Separate the stuff you're discussing into relevant topics.

I wonder if there will ever be support for non- sse just mmx........ that would be CRAZY!

I have a pentiiium so, ill give it a try!

In the end:
is it possible to install tiger on a pentium 3 SSE cpu???
if yes, how??

thanks in advance bye!

Can someone tell me where is this project now and what is going on?

Have you made MacOS X to run on SEE only PC or not, and is there a guide?

I think this project is dead.
Run OS X on such legacy hardware is pretty pointless.

Sherry Haibara

I know it's a little late in the process, but have you tried Damn Small Linux? Or Puppy Linux? Those are very light. Just trying to help.

I wouldn't completely rule out VirtualBox as being capable of running OS X. There's a ton of data about this, we just need a few people to put it together and we'll have Leopard running inside VirtualBox.

Here's the process with VirtualBox to get Tiger going, should anybody be interested:
http://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?t=2076

This is really compelling, because VirtualBox beats VMWare in terms of performance when running deadmoo. And VirtualBox is free, open source, and available for even more platforms than VMWare!

It seems possible to use VirtualBox with Leopard too:
http://alex.csgraf.de/self/?qemu/

Problem is that I can't get it to work. I've been using the pcwiz vmware vmdk as a handy starting point. Even with safe mode, adjusting the res down, setting all the backwards compatibility flags I can think of (-f, x86pc, etc.) I can't get it to fully boot. It loads the kexts, then VirtualBox either just abruptly closes, or reports a fatal error and gives a logfile that is (to me) both long and meaningless.

I've also tried almost every combination of settings in VirtualBox. Nothing seems to work. I've tried the native and ToH kernels. I will occasionally hack at it, but if I knew the source of the issue, it would go so far in helping guide the process.

Another set of solutions for Darwin under Virtual Box:
http://sites.google.com/a/puredarwin.org/p...pers/virtualbox

It's so close, I can smell it. Anybody want to help? Contribute suggestions?

The methode of alex works ! Have pcwiz vmware image running with it.
But it used a patched kvm/qemu and not Virtualbox.
Speed is good (core2duo 2,66,4gb Ram), but only 1280 x 1024 res and only framebuffer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSJ3utnsbqw
This is Mac OS X running on my Acer Aspire 1200 laptop, with a Pentium III Processor.
I used PearPC on Windows XP Professional. The laptop only has 256MB RAM.