http://z4.invisionfree.com/The_Great_Decep...?showtopic=7592
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125883405294859215.html
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewb...y_news_spreads/

I knew you were a fervent supporter of the Bush administration. You've got the same resistance to facts and hatred for anyone telling you something other than what you want to hear.

The WSJ article doesn't describe global warming as a hoax. Nor does the release of the papers described.

For a "rational" analysis of what's actually in those papers and what it says, I found this article to be good.

http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2009/1...-on-display.ars



Personally, I don't really care if it's real or not. I like a lot of the things that would need to be done to fight it. Moving away from a dependence on Coal and Oil and towards renewable resources like wind and solar, has very few downsides and considerable benefits. Plus there's the bonus of making us less dependent on and involved in places like the middle east. Saudi+Iranian petrodollars in one form (like funding radical madrassas) or another are behind the vast majority of islamic terrorism. Anything that reduces the money going to those guys is a big benefit.

I just feel, I'm not going to be here in 20 years........ so I'm OK!

Whether or not global warming is real (which it certainly is real), there are a ton of other consequences of burning fossil fuels.

I hate to bust your bubble, but no, its not real. BUT, you can BELIEVE it is real if you want to. The data was purposely manipulated to achieve an end financial goal... making rich people richer. Oil is not a fossil fuel is a hydrocarbon. However natural gas is an alternative the US has plenty of it. I run my truck (Ford Ranger) on propane because its $1.79 a gallon, my motor lasts 2x longer, and I can get it anywhere in town.

Global warming is a financial racket. A racket to drive support away from real issues, such as illegal dumping, which IS a REAL problem.



The way things are going, nobody will be. Nobody will have a job in 2 years either.



Try Ron Paul.

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Mr. Saad asked Al Gore about Climategate during a book signing. He was promptly assulted & escorted out.



Climate Change Data dumped.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/envi...icle6936328.ece

SCIENTISTS at the University of East Anglia (UEA) have admitted throwing away much of the raw temperature data on which their predictions of global warming are based.

It means that other academics are not able to check basic calculations said to show a long-term rise in temperature over the past 150 years.

The UEA’s Climatic Research Unit (CRU) was forced to reveal the loss following requests for the data under Freedom of Information legislation.

The data were gathered from weather stations around the world and then adjusted to take account of variables in the way they were collected. The revised figures were kept, but the originals �" stored on paper and magnetic tape �" were dumped to save space when the CRU moved to a new building.

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The admission follows the leaking of a thousand private emails sent and received by Professor Phil Jones, the CRU’s director. In them he discusses thwarting climate sceptics seeking access to such data.

In a statement on its website, the CRU said: “We do not hold the original raw data but only the value-added (quality controlled and homogenised) data.”

The CRU is the world’s leading centre for reconstructing past climate and temperatures. Climate change sceptics have long been keen to examine exactly how its data were compiled. That is now impossible.

Roger Pielke, professor of environmental studies at Colorado University, discovered data had been lost when he asked for original records. “The CRU is basically saying, ‘Trust us’. So much for settling questions and resolving debates with science,” he said.

Jones was not in charge of the CRU when the data were thrown away in the 1980s, a time when climate change was seen as a less pressing issue. The lost material was used to build the databases that have been his life’s work, showing how the world has warmed by 0.8C over the past 157 years.

He and his colleagues say this temperature rise is “unequivocally” linked to greenhouse gas emissions generated by humans. Their findings are one of the main pieces of evidence used by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, which says global warming is a threat to humanity.

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Or MAYBE, Just MAYBE, its that big burning ball of hydrogen in the sky called the SUN, which is now getting cooler.

What? Both natural gas and "oil" (gasoline) are hydrocarbons. Straight from www.naturalgas.org: "Natural gas is a fossil fuel like oil and coal."

When you burn hydrocarbons, you make carbon dioxide and water. You may find propane more cost effective, but it still produces carbon dioxide...and you can argue whether or not that is causing climate change.


If you want people to take your arguments seriously, don't write stuff like "Oil is not a fossil fuel is a hydrocarbon".

BB555 is part of the 9/11 "truther" wing nut brigade. Science and reading comprehension are not their strong points. Irrational anger and assertions of things that simply aren't true or at best wildly distorted, are what they shine at.

I do find it deeply ironic that he is siding with the Bush Administration on this though, given how he accuses anyone who questions the "truther" nonsense of being in alliance with "war criminals".

Because that is a lot better.



I fail to see how the Sun getting cooler makes the planet warmer. Also, on a side note, the Sun is made of Hydrogen and Helium.

READING is not one of the neo-liberal's strongest points. Much less education. However, simply turning on the boob tube, and believing in Gaiaism, collectivism, and propaganda is their strongest point.

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Believing some rich nut that flies around in a jet that claims he "invented the internet", is nothing short of a lunatic, or insanity at best.

But thats fine. Absolutely fine with me. There are a lot of nuts out there; men that dress up like women, people that believe the earth is flat, people that believe the cycle of life causes the earth to warm up, people that worship symbols, people that believe in UFOs, people that believe kerosene can melt steel, people that worship the sun, people that believe the moon is made of cheese, people that believe the moon landing was staged, people that worship the earth, all kinds of nutjob stuff.

But thats fine, you can go ahead and believe WHATEVER you want. But the fact is, its been exposed as a fake, the IPCC is now under investigation, AL Gore is getting sued, people will be arrested, and the snake oil salesman is getting what he deserves.

You can BELIEVE Al Gore invented the internet, and that the internet is causing "global warming" or whatever you call it.

Fact is, they manipulated the data, they admitted they manipulated the data, its a hoax, and its now public knowledge. But go ahead, keep believing the earth is flat. You can probably join a climate church or something one day.

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You might want to try bumping the point size on the "lie" you've emphasized in believing. Or wait... were you actually trying to be subtle?

I'm so proud for you! Are you finally graduating from the school for ham handed, humorless, ideologues?

Though I'm not a "NEO"-liberal. I think humans and the machines should live separately. I don't think people should be unplugged from the matrix. They can't handle the truth.



Sigh....

Spoke too soon.

Not that I expect facts to convince you or anything like that, but Al Gore never claimed he invented the internet. That was an out right lie from the Republican slime machine, but you all ready know all about the big lie theory of things, it's pretty much the basis for how the truthers operate.



Oh, if only you had any sense of irony.

Where's that stock photo of the pot calling the kettle black? A truther slamming other people for "their" belief in irrational, fact-less, things completely divorced from reality..



Ah, don't ever change BB555.

That claim about melting steel is so divorced from reality and completely missing the point of things, that it always brings a smile to my face. Your posts are an endless source of amusement.

Now where were we again?



Hehehehehehehehehehe..... Oh the irony, oh the irony....

"Oil is not a fossil fuel"

I'm a global warming skeptic. But come on! Even though there are some serious scientists who have evidence that suggests that it might not be a true fossil fuel (look it up!), it's pretty much a settled deal. Let's even suppose for the sake of argument that it is, whether or not it's a fossil fuel is irrelevant.

And Al Gore doesn't really think he invented the Internet. Look it up.

Your posts are full of red herrings, BB555. Calm down and present relevant facts and you'll find some people ready to discuss it with you rationally.

P.S.: Really, there is something to the whole idea that oil might have been formed through abiogenic processes. Look it up! It's interesting science.

Corrupt politicians, businessmen and the media are truly the most evil villains of this world. They cause good people to terrible things to each other. They manipulate and enslave the entire population with which they live in the name of money. They are a huge heaping pile of sin which wreak of a stench worse than the burning carcasses of hell itself.

Halliburton got rich with the deaths of our young men in the war on terror, and Goldman-Sachs got rich with the explosion of the housing bubble. They also received plenty of bailout money courtesy of their alumni present on all levels of our federal government. The recession is largely due to presidential campaigns and the media trashing the reputation of our economy sending consumer confidence straight to hell. The only purpose of the bailout was to repay campaign contributors, chiefly union workers, and to keep corrupt businessmen afloat. Most of our products are outsourced to sweatshops where labor is cheaper because of union laborers who make businesses unprofitable. At the same time that our government gives the nod of approval on outsourcing, they raise the bar on hypocrisy by increasing the minimum wage.

This topic is one of many examples of corrupt politics. Whether climate change is real or not is irrelevant. Somewhere along the line someone is getting rich.

/rant

I would have to agree with you, you make a good point.

You are right on target.... until you assert that is irrelevant whether climate change is real or not.

Obviously, climate change fraud, which is now becoming exposed, has profound implications and ones which compound your point.



Oh, so you know something about science, do you?

Perhaps you can explain the obvious cutter charge slicing through a corner column of World Trader Center (WTC) tower 1 then:
http://www.youtube.com/user/ae911truth#p/u/0/O36ReZixfiY


I am also very interested in your scientific opinion on the matter of free fall speed that even NIST now admits which occurred in the "collapse" of WTC 7:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC44L0-2zL8


Finally, please give your expert on the recently published and peer-reviewed paper which describes the explosive nano-thermite materials found in the WTC dust:

http://www.bentham-open.org/pages/content....0001/7TOCPJ.SGM

Yup. I have an education and understand basic logic.

Thanks by the way for demonstrating my point about the limited reading comprehension of "truthers". But heck you do that every time you bring up the "melted steel" nonsense.



Boy you guys are easily convinced of things. I haven't seen that many conclusions leaped to on the basis of no information since I read that book about the Face on Mars (with just as much of a basis in reality).

Let me get this straight. Your "evidence" of a cutter charge is a puff of smoke as the point where the wtc starts to collapse? Google "air pressure", it will explain why there's a puff when it collapses.You also don't seem to understand that a "cutter charge" strong enough to cut the columns would have an SPL of IIRC 140 db, which would have been clearly audible on any videos of the collapse. Needless to say there AREN'T any such blasts registered on any of the collapse videos.

The girder the video references, was at the point of failure when the top of the building fell down and somewhat away from it. Which is why it was sticking up briefly before the pancaking of the floors brought down the portion of the building it was sticking up from.

In the mean time, here's a site devoted to debunking the AE911 truth nutters.

http://ae911truth.info/tiki-index.php



No it didn't fall at free fall speeds and NIST said nothing of the sort. You lie once again.

http://ae911truth.info/tiki-index.php?page...freefall%20wtc7




I'm still waiting btw, for you or any other "truther" to offer something resembling a reason WHY anyone would destroy WTC7.

Likewise, why was a controlled demolition used? If you are going to go to the bother of bringing down the Towers and WTC7, I'd think you'd want them toppling over onto lower Manhattan, for maximum drama and trauma. You only use a controlled demolition if you want to AVOID damage. Not to mention that it's much simpler and easier to do a demolition that would cause the buildings to collapse onto other buildings than to pull of a controlled demolition. Since a CD requires precisely timed detonations.

Of course none of that even gets into the utter absurdity of the massive amount of effort and access that would have been required to set up a CD for 3 enormous office buildings in downtown manhattan in the first place. Oh, yah I forgot the complete lack of any traces of any sort of charges or trigger mechanisms in the debris after wards.



Ah yes, the "smoking gun" as to your lack of reading comprehension.

I already replied to that in this thread you started here. When someone tells you something that contradicts one of your precious conspiracy theories, it simply doesn't exist for you, does it. It's like your mind simply edits it out of existence.

The summary is that the "peer reviewed" journal Bentham, is a scam and not peer reviewed.

Not that adding "nano" onto "thermite" gives the magical properties that "truthers" seem to think it does. For that matter.

Some other resources for debunking this thermite nonsense.
http://11-settembre.blogspot.com/2009/04/a...claimed-in.html

Let's start with your education then, where exactly did you go to school?

I haven't seen snow for 2 years.
Fossil fuels must be stopped - be it for global warming or any of the other reason (ehem... political).

I'm sorry, but I don't give out personal details to clinically paranoid strangers on the internet.

I have a BS in Electrical Engineering and a MA in Poly Sci. That's as much as you'll get.

But it's not like you need anything past a high school education to realize that the bunk you peddle (Done lying about the NIST report yet?) is BS.

In fact there's an 8th grader who was debunking the "truther" nonsense for a school science fair.

Well I find both sides of this argument very fascinating, I cannot help, but side against global warming.

http://www.lfpress.com/news/world/2010/01/...402046-sun.html

It is getting ridiculous... I'm sitting here freezing my ass off, thinking that a little global warming could do us some good, but whether or not global warming is a good thing is a completely different story.

I would also like to point out that the majority of US oil does not come from the Arabs, or fund terrorist groups. The majority of oil imports actually comes from Mexico and Canada.

http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petrole...ent/import.html

If you'd like to hear some facts with colorful commentary, you should listen to the No Agenda show. Well sometimes Adam can only be described as a crackpot, it provides a good laugh while presenting some interesting ideas on our world today.

http://www.noagendashow.com/

Anyways, stay warm out there!

Normal seasonal variations have nothing to do with if global warming is real or not. Remember even the most extreme predictions of temperature change are only a couple of degrees, which is going to be completely swamped by what can easily be a 40 degree Celsius difference between the lows and highs in non-tropical areas.

Where that couple of degrees makes a difference is in it's effects on the ecosystem and the weather cycle. A couple of degrees warmer water can make for much stronger hurricanes for example.



While your statements about the source of the US's oil is correct, in a sense it doesn't matter. Oil is what is referred to as a "highly fungible product". This means that it's a product where that product from one area/place is easily able to substitute for that from another. So the US or China's thirst for oil means that the scarcity that results drives up prices everywhere. So as long as the US continues to suck up an enormous amount of oil, prices will remain high and that means that the arab countries are getting more money for their oil and that definitely funds terrorism and the religious extremism which underlies it.

If the price of oil went back down to $20 a barrel, Iran would go broke and wouldn't be able to fund their nuclear program or nearly as many organizations like Hezbollah.



That does sound like a potentially interesting show. Thanks.

The health benefits alone would CHANGE the world!

The Global Warming scare has nothing to do with climate change. It has to do with political power.

very true