is there anyway to run System 7 on PC?

no

as they are all ppc

unless you want to run it through pearPC

Actually, fiendskull, the majority of system 7 installs were 68k, but...

Yes, grab the free 68k binaries from Apple's site, get a performa rom, dl basilisk II, and enjoy.

ohhh

i was unaware

sorry

-clay

If you have demonoid, I've hosted a '7.5.5 Emulation kit' search for that

Actually there was the infamous Star Trek project that was successful as in they got System 7 to boot on a regular PC along with Quicktime etc. It was abandoned and all that is left is 1 harddrive of the data. Even now noone knows where it is. Dont bother searching for it as its been gone for at least 10 years.

Star Trek

BasiliskII can run Mac OS 0.x-8.1, depending on which ROM you're using. Performance is basically native speed, but a few apps do cause the emulator to crash.

It's available for Windows, Mac OS X, and Linux. Try it, it's great.

I just post my "emulation kit". I have so many different emulators with so many different versions of the Operating Systems and so many ROMs

I played with 68k and PPC emulators constantly for like 2 months.

How can I open a .dd file? A while back while my dad was working at a graphics firm, a colleage of his got a hold of a copy of a jaz disk that had a 300 mb .dd file on it and he claimed it was Mac os for PCs. Somewhere in my house that jaz disk exists, but i wonder if it was ever real. Wouldnt that be awesome. A new thing for the OSx86 freaks to tinker with.

Now i gotta find my old Jaz drive and taht disk and get my 6150 working again...

lol when you said jaz i thought it was a misspelling of JaS but maybe you can try dding it to a HD

Basilisk II will indeed get you OS 7.x to 8.1
Sheepshaver will get you up to OS 9.2 support (PPC)
PearPC won't run anything other than OSX

^^^Wrong on all 3.
Basilisk II will run 0.x to 8.1 68k binaries depending on the ROM file provided.
Sheepsaver will run from System 7 (PPC), to Mac OS 9.04 (After 9.04, a MMU was required, and Sheepsaver devs refused to include it, citing that it would hurt performance, and the added version number is unnecisary for the project)
PearPC will run many different flavors of other PPC OSes, quite well, in fact, as they're not as heavily optimized on specific CPU commands. (PPC linux and BSD run quite well in PearPC).

Well if anyone knows what a DD file is, i might be able to unarchive whatever this is. i got the file off (some 923 megs later) and dropped it on an old IDE HD and plugged that into my g4 and was able to get the "macosinteldemo.dd" off of it and its now sitting on the desktop of my mac mini. i tried stuffit and diskutility (i had a hunch dd was diskdoubler) and it was nogo. i doubt this is real, cause as far as i know, it only existed on some 5 or 6 specific intel pcs in cupertino. im going to bed, and if anyone has any ideas, feel free to post them.

Might it perhaps be a file you should use the "dd" command on? Open Terminal and check "man dd"
Seems you could use that command write your file to a partition and see what you get.

is uploading somewhere it idea enough for ya?


but yeah as mac-mini said its probably a dd file. Look for a deadmoo guide for using dd to copy that old image, adapt that to writing your image instead and put it to a partition, and see what comes from it. If that works right it should mount under osx86 no probs (i assume).

How-to's on emulating PPC and emulating 68k on Windows:

http://wiki.oldos.org/Mac/PPCEmulator

http://wiki.oldos.org/Mac/68kEmulator

I actually use BasiliskII with 7.5.5 and 68k iCab and 68k IE4 as a proof-of-concept that even a 20-year-old MacII can run the web-based software I support.

Exists any way to use a PPC emulator over wind*ws 98?
Sheepshaver crashes over NT 5.x systems and emulation over linux is too slow.
The reason: relive my crushed PB 5300 (i tried with my other powerbook, 3400c model and POOR PC! )
PD: im looking for a PPC version of BeOS. Who has it (for download or purchase in the worst of cases)?

old topic i know, but chillinfart ive got an original BeOS PR2 cd floating around somewhere that could make its way to the green demon if your still keen.

ppc version btw

What about anything under OS X? Does that need a rom to get it to run native?

.dd was a common extension used by the Mac version of disk doubler. (compression software)

If you can find a copy of it for 68k you should be able to uncompress the file.
(Don't know any other programs that can.)

Edit: Apparently these macutils, (attached), can unpack these also. Although I haven't try, they might compile on OS X sicne they are command line UNIX based.

Edit 2: The Unarchiver, a mac based decompression program handle disk doubler format.

If that's really OS 7 for PC that would be awesome. We'd expect it to show up on the Green Demon

if it's true please relase this piece of software

Oh my God... is that real? Keep that disk safe and start uploading the image. If you don't have a good connection for torrenting I'll cover the cost of mailing me a DVD with an image on it and I can get at least one computer seeding as soon as Demonoid is back up.

absolutely incredible!

Thats what I said! It really is amazing what photoshop can do these days...

Look familiar?



As far as that file goes, .dd sounds like diskdoubler, so Ill have to get that running again on my old mac.

ah harsh. oh well. you should still see whats on that dd file tho

Though you cannot run System 7 from PC, you can run the FusionPC emulator from DOS alone, and set your PC to "boot" into Mac OS.  No windows required.

That's probably as close as you are going to get.

This topic having been dead for quite sometime, ResX - how did you make out on the extraction? Ever get around to it? Did it ever get uploaded anywhere? Is there any chance of even just circulating the file as is for others to potentially extract? I realize your screenshot is photoshoped, am I possibly overlooking this filename of macosinteldemo.dd also being photoshopped, etc?

Appreciate your response as to what the current word is on this. Thanks!

actually back before Steve Jobs came back and Apple was exploring Clones, they managed to get a very specific pc and a heavily modded System 7 install to boot and run. Looked identical to a 68k Mac

bump!



I never considered the fact of actually adding in the clones era to the equation of variables - smart thinking - that would make sense and suppot why Apple would even both trying a PC-clone in the first place too.

Out of curiousity - does anyone know if any one on the board works at Apple as a day job? Maybe don't post back any names to this thread for obvious security reasons, but PM them, I'm just curious to ask a few in general questions such as litterature perse in a potential Apple Archives room - Marklar Panther being another thought, this and that. Nothing to risk getting anyone in trouble of course.

Cheers!

Hope you guys can help me out here.

Each time I on / start my laptop, there seems to be some programs / system running on the background. I cant run any other programs and have to wait like almost 10 to 20 minutes before those program / system that I click on will run. Sometimes I even have to restart or just off the whole thing and run it again before it runs normal again.

I tried control-alt-delete to check on whats running but theres nothing there. Could I be hit by virus / trojen or is my system corrupted?

How do I go about remedying it without doing a reformat?

Sorry if I'm off track here, (I can't create my own topics ) but I have gotten my hands on some OS 7.5.3 floppy images, and I have no idea what to do with them. I have SoftMac, but I'm a little confused as to how I should mount the floppies. Well, it seems like straight up mounting them doesn't work. (It has a problem with my BIOS ROM as well, saying Unable to install ROM when using a Quadra rom)

Thanks for any help.

If anyone could help me out, that would be great.

TGP1994 - your inquiry is irrelevant and off-topic to this particular 'system 7/pc' thread, as this one is pertaining to the Codename Star Trek project of running System 7 natively on a x86 based machine without Windows and without an emulator such as "SoftMac [eww-hate saying that word]", and Fusion-PC, Basilisk II, etc.

What you need to do though - is get a completely different emulator for starters - SoftMac is crap, ditch it. Grab Basilisk II, or Fusion if you prefer DOS enviornments, B2 has a GUI to it that's a Win32 based App so that'll probably be easiest on you.

Secondly - you need to follow this guide. If you have any troubles with anything at all, feel free to PM me for assistance. I'm not always on Insanely - but I do have e-mail notifications enabled, and constantly check my Gmail.

Back to the topic at hand now, did 3rd party developers ever receive such a thing as a Sys7 SDK or sample source code that might shed any wisdom or thought-trains or info on the thread topic itself at hand? Better yet, expand that question to any Classic system version.

Believe me, I would have made my own topic if I could have. If you ask me, making it so new people can create new topics only after five posts will only lead to offtopic posts like mine, more than anything else. But back onto my own topic... ()



Anything other than SoftMac sounds good to me. Although, it seems like Basilisk II is near-dead, since a lot of links I followed for it are down. I did manage to get my hands on a version of it, so I will give it a try.

And thank you very much for the option of PMing you, I don't get that from a lot of people.