Samsung NC10 UK revision, Updates / Installation / Modding etc, stuff will be here Options

[bad1550]

Hi

I just reinstalled the 10.5.6 iso from dvd - I also used customize and choose the nc10 package and rebooted

I cannot get past the MAC OSX screen asking for a name and password

I tried leaving blank and it will not let me proceed

I used the -s then /sbin/mount/ -uw /

Any suggestions would be helpful

Thx,

Bob

[srcshelton]

Hi guys,

I've just completed writing a guide to running OS X with the efi_boot method of having a pristine stock system and storing any custom kexts on an EFI partition... I'm hoping that this might help people who are confused by the number of different ISO images and patches out there by providing simple and clear instructions for how to install from a retail DVD.

The guide is at http://blog.stuart.shelton.me/archives/256

Please let me know if you have any feedback, especially regarding whether the instructions are clear enough or if I've missed anything out.

Cheers!

Stuart

[adamcarter]

we are not on a real mac!

people are forgetting the very basics, things have been told million times being asked again and again...

you will not get perfect OS X running, with every single function and key as in windows...

original wifi is troublesome, just shell 10-15 bucks and get a 100% working wifi... and no trouble...

clamshell or whatever kext will not work well for display being closed or not, unless a modified bios or dsdt made(since dsdt is software based after boot it may also have trouble, i didnt have a chance to try yet) patch... same with the sleep issues...

I agree Mysticus.
Yo mofos read the faq's, read the forum from post 1.

What the hell is next:
"Mysticus can you make the display lights to pan like the kitt the knight rider car?"
"Mysticus can you show me how to cut an apple shape out of the back side of the lcd monitor so i can install an apple shapped translucent plastic?"
"Mysticus can you send me the script that turns my atom single processor into a dual processor?"

Look guys... You have a PC...not a mac. you want full functionality you have to wait, and even then it will never ever ever be perfect. give mysticus a break he is doing what he can with what he can.

[ Mysticus C*]

Stuart: thanx for the info about alternative install, but i dont agree with certain things you do/say. First, long ago, you said have couple of kexts that works better than what i included in the packages in early days, and I asked you to share, and you didnt... Now you make your own blog and make funny comments about other processes.

And finally you try to steer people away and quote following stuff rather than stating an alternative install method?

Indeed, there are a large (and also increasing) number of guides which will tell you how to get OS X running using a variety of ISO images downloaded via BitTorrent and hacked kernels which then require extensive changes to the installed system and come with copious warnings not to upgrade the OS when Software Updater prompts you to… and even then it’s common for basic functions such as sleep or USB not to work (although it has to be said that no method is entirely free from certain caveats).?????

This guide doesn’t work like that. This guide will describe how to install OS X from an original Leopard installation DVD and how to end up with an entirely unmodified system (*) which will not break when Apple issues updates.

is lame

To retain some functions, you still need to maintain your efi partition with correct modifications after updates as well. With packages in hand, after install, you dont break anything.

it’s important to resist the temptation to then go and install any extensions onto the system partition itself - and ignore any instructions which direct you to do so

is quite more lame.

You still need to do manual processes, and use modified drivers. Even inside your so called unmodified system! Even with unmodified vanilla systems, some people still need to use patched kernel like Voodoo's in AMD cases.

Your comment starts smart but ends erreonously wrong. You talk in a general tone, but I m sure you are onto Intel specific machines, and since quoting your stuff here, toning for NC10 users...

What makes you think you will use 100% vanilla system with non mac hardware? and forever?

In current state, current ISO, is apart from the obvious drivers, is already untouched copy. Wheter with efi or not, you will still need some manual process after major updates.

To everyone else:
Efi sure has good advantages, however, in wrong hands, with the GUID partition being fingered can caused to become big mess...

I m planning on implementing EFI partition/folder to current system once dense sorts out the gfx issue. and sound is fixed.

Try to stay away from GUID until you guys fully comfortable with partition tables and using them for purposes. Guid will bring more confusion in the long run with its additional 100mb parts between partitions... people like the idea of non destructive live partition resizing but, it may not be as good when you realize fragmenting your hdd if you have many partitions in your hdd... it will bring more confusion to less experience people when you start multi booting...

Sure mbr has limitations, but i guarantee 99.999 % of you wont need guid at all.

Some of you wants cool features as changing partition sizes, which has reverse effects if not used correctly!
And most of you will not need more than 2 OSs (3 to be max as 3rd would be only testing). If you need more than 3, you must be doing it to look cool to show off, or you are testing/learning something but not using them permanently! Most users will use 1 permanent and max 2nd to certain needs.
SO MBR is more than enough to 99% of people...

[srcshelton]

Stuart: thanx for the info about alternative install, but i dont agree with certain things you do/say. First, long ago, you said have couple of kexts that works better than what i included in the packages in early days, and I asked you to share, and you didnt... Now you make your own blog and make funny comments about other processes.

... although I did PM you at the time to say that I was on holiday in Cyprus, and so internet connectivity was intermittent. By the time I was back, I thought I'd read a post saying that you'd found a working alternative. If this isn't the case, then the archive of all of the kexts I'm using is here:

http://blog.stuart.shelton.me/downloads/

... third item down.

And finally you try to steer people away and quote following stuff rather than stating an alternative install method?

is lame

To retain some functions, you still need to maintain your efi partition with correct modifications after updates as well. With packages in hand, after install, you dont break anything.

is quite more lame.

You still need to do manual processes, and use modified drivers. Even inside your so called unmodified system! Even with unmodified vanilla systems, some people still need to use patched kernel like Voodoo's in AMD cases.

Ah, no - the system, as in the system partition and the Mac OS installation is unmodified - all of the changes are made on the EFI partition only (with the exception of changes to the TrackPad preference pane to get it to display on non-Apple hardware... I must remember to add a comment about that...)

Also, please realise that I'm not trying to steer anyone away from anything - merely to provide some instructions for an alternative installation method which isn't widely documented elsewhere. Everyone is, of course, free to read any and all available guides and make their own informed decision as to what installation they wish to use!

Your comment starts smart but ends erreonously wrong. You talk in a general tone, but I m sure you are onto Intel specific machines, and since quoting your stuff here, toning for NC10 users...

Well, the clue is supposed to be in the title... it's a guide for netbooks. You do have a point, though, that I should probably clarify and specifically state "Intel Atom-based netbooks", but (save for the HP 2133) I think that this does cover all of them. Additionally, as I do say, whilst the approach should work for most/all Atom-based netbooks, I've only tried it myself on my NC10... which is why I've posted here to get any feedback you guys have to give!

What makes you think you will use 100% vanilla system with non mac hardware? and forever?

In current state, current ISO, is apart from the obvious drivers, is already untouched copy. Wheter with efi or not, you will still need some manual process after major updates.

I'm certainly not claiming that this approach will work forever - but what I can say is that it works for now and has proven resilient so far. I also specifically state that Snow Leopard is currently an unknown quantity. On the other hand, if you're referring to point-upgrades then you are, in fact, wrong: The efi_boot method has successfully been used to upgrade from 10.5.4 to 10.5.5 to 10.5.6 without the need for tweaking (although I'd still advise copying the latest unmodified kexts to the EFI partition - these unchanged extensions can be discovered by running 'kinv.sh' from the installation image before performing the upgrade) - and actually, the number of customised extensions required at each stage has dropped.

I'm not passing any comment on the ISO images available as I've not used them - but I understand that it's the case that upgrading involves applying the official updates followed by having to re-apply all patches before rebooting so that the system will actually come back up successfully. With an efi_boot approach, you just apply the official update... and that's it!

To everyone else:
Efi sure has good advantages, however, in wrong hands, with the GUID partition being fingered can caused to become big mess...

Absolutely! Please read that warnings in the article that, if you follow the instructions directly, then you will be wiping your internal hard drive clean! You're free to repartition as you see fit to multi-boot different OS, of course, but I've not provided instructions for that.

(Mainly because, since I have a 30Gb SSD, there's not really room for more than one OS. Incredible that think that the Amiga OS was a 512k ROM and 5 880k floppy drives, at least half of which were additional fonts and drivers! Roll on the supposedly more space-efficient Snow Leopard )

I m planning on implementing EFI partition/folder to current system once dense sorts out the gfx issue. and sound is fixed.

Excellent

I'd be happy to work together on this!

Try to stay away from GUID until you guys fully comfortable with partition tables and using them for purposes. Guid will bring more confusion in the long run with its additional 100mb parts between partitions... people like the idea of non destructive live partition resizing but, it may not be as good when you realize fragmenting your hdd if you have many partitions in your hdd... it will bring more confusion to less experience people when you start multi booting...

... but, to be fair, in this guide the only mention of GPT is when formatting the drive as a single partition. Since there are no further partitions, so further space is reserved. Even so, is losing 128Mb per partition really an issue with today's many-gigabyte discs?

Sure mbr has limitations, but i guarantee 99.999 % of you wont need guid at all.

... unless you want to use the method I document, in which case it is mandatory. Selecting "GUID Partition Table" (GPT) ensures that the EFI partition is correctly created and handled by the OS without further user-interaction.

I'm happy to answer any further questions that anyone has. Even if you don't plan to (re)install using the efi_boot method described, please have a read to get an idea of what alternatives exist, and also to check that I've not dropped any major clangers!

Thanks again,

Stuart

[ Mysticus C*]

thanx for clearing out some facts, but still having efi partition/folder is not just enough for brick free systems, and you already know that after some updates your previous drivers may not work as it happened in toucpad/kb case, and touchpad preferences. which you needed to intervene the efi folder in order to gain functionality back.

i m not saying additional efi is bad, but is prone to same problems as with only one efi partition systems as well at certain points...

of course it has advantages but still need to do some work... at the moment, like gfx driver? i m not aware that dense posted an id injecting driver into gfx, so vanilla gfx would load, neither brightness controll release... so you still need that driver fixed manually, but like i said, i m not aware of another solution yet... only one i know is to replace the device ids in fb and gfx driver... not just "has display" injection by efi strings which is different.

at the moment bcoz of gfx issue, additional efi folder with patched stuff is almost same as having no efi folder so, i dont see a point untill gfx issue is resolved... else you will have to fix gfx driver anyway... which beats the claim of untouched system. having additional partition with patched stuff does not have advantage at the moment for said reasons. Because the current patched drivers wheter in additional partition or same place, will not be overwritten, apart from gfx and audio at the moment (talking of my patched driver) which is the same case for additional partition after the update, you need to get patched ones either way. So same results in either way. No advantage currently...

for the drivers, l responded to you quickly during dvd preparation, and more than once, but u didnt respond back for whatever reasons. anyways, past is past.

If you wanna contribute a little, i didnt have much time to play with dsdt but have some strong grounds at the moment for theoratic fixes of sleep issue caused from the usb drivers... if you have time, i can provide u the information, and have some work/comparison done? maybe even some gfx stuff?

Update News:

TOUCH SCREEN DEMONSTRATION VIDEO ON THE OS-X

warning of my annoying morning voice in the video just after I wake up

[NSCXP2005]

@ Mysticus C,

After Dense has managed to fix all the gfx and sound problems will you consider make a guide on how to do a retail install of OSX?

@ srcshelton
Looking at your guide, you do not need to use GUID to install OSX, you can make a copy of the retail disc and modify the OSInstall.mpkg file to let you install as MBR partitions.

Thank you for your time

All the best

NSCXP2005

[srcshelton]

i didnt have much time to play with dsdt but have some strong grounds at the moment for theoratic fixes of sleep issue caused from the usb drivers... if you have time, i can provide u the information, and have some work/comparison done? maybe even some gfx stuff?

Sure thing! I've had some success correcting DSDT-related issues on a few systems now, and the NC10's (likely stock Intel) default configuration is pretty clean already. If you've got any thoughts on how USB-related sleep issues might be corrected from the DSDT, please send them through. And I'm happy to take a look at anything graphics-related too.

[e60m5]

Update News:

TOUCH SCREEN DEMONSTRATION VIDEO ON THE OS-X

warning of my annoying morning voice in the video just after I wake up

Fantastic. Many thanks for sharing your progress with us. Has the touchscreen installation had any noticeable effect on battery life?

[adamcarter]

Congrats Mysticus on the touchscreen

Does it work with inkwell?

I think you mentioned something a lil ways back.

[ Mysticus C*]

Congrats Mysticus on the touchscreen

Does it work with inkwell?

I think you mentioned something a lil ways back.

trying to figure out how to enable it... it requires some editing in prefpanes like we did in the touchpad pane yet to find... anyone idea?

[camdenbloke]

trying to figure out how to enable it... it requires some editing in prefpanes like we did in the touchpad pane yet to find... anyone idea?

http://www.mp3car.com/vbulletin/maccar/70112-inkwell.html

Seems to work...

- Go to /System/Library/CoreServices/Menu Extras/
- Double Click Ink.menu.
- An INK Icon will appear in the menu bar
- Chose Ink Preference
- Enable Ink by clicking ON

[adamcarter]

hmmmm I don't know... but I remember originally wanting to make a tablet mac.... and looking there for tablet drivers. Might want to head over there for enabling features Sure it has been done many times.



hmmmm I don't know... but I remember originally wanting to make a tablet mac.... and looking there for tablet drivers. Might want to head over there for enabling features Sure it has been done many times.

[ Mysticus C*]

http://www.mp3car.com/vbulletin/maccar/70112-inkwell.html

Seems to work...

- Go to /System/Library/CoreServices/Menu Extras/
- Double Click Ink.menu.
- An INK Icon will appear in the menu bar
- Chose Ink Preference
- Enable Ink by clicking ON

i m on it already, and thats why i said it require some editing somewhere... because the ink.menu doesnt work just like that...

even ink.preferences requires some checks somewhere, as "tabletfinder" trying to figure out where to add/modify these vendor/device id settings... because it doesn not seem as easy... at the moment, i found stg called tabletmagic, which has one option to run ink interface (not the preferences pane) to let your write which works fine, but it doesnt work automatically!

and i dont know what preferences that can be adjusted as there is no prefpane enabling at the moment trying to figure it out... but ink works just fine recognizing words etc, a bit annoying to keep spliting words as it likes

[camdenbloke]

i m on it already, and thats why i said it require some editing somewhere... because the ink.menu doesnt work just like that...

Sorry, I'm not sure I understand? Are you saying that the commands above don't work, and the ink.menu doesn't appear? I just tried it on my NC10 and I now have an ink menu in my menu bar, it looks like the tip of a pen, and an ink preference pane.

Maybe I misunderstood you.

Andy.

[ Mysticus C*]

now i changed display factor and i dont know what else i fingered, ink pref pane also comes out, and ink.menu automatically showing up as well... and works pretty smoothly... may post videos tomorrow maybe

[kkelis]

Mysticus, how are you finding the touch screen, in terms of usability in everyday's tasks? Is it practical, or not (taking into consideration the weight of nc10 and how the screen moves when it's tapped). Also, how much did it cost you, and what did the fitting process involve?

Lastly, a big thanks for what you're offering to the community (and I was delighted to find out that you're working on the nc10 osx, since I'm the happy owner of one of these little machines)!
keep it up:)

[ Mysticus C*]

Mysticus, how are you finding the touch screen, in terms of usability in everyday's tasks? Is it practical, or not (taking into consideration the weight of nc10 and how the screen moves when it's tapped). Also, how much did it cost you, and what did the fitting process involve?

Lastly, a big thanks for what you're offering to the community (and I was delighted to find out that you're working on the nc10 osx, since I'm the happy owner of one of these little machines)!
keep it up:)

toucscreen's usability and practicality depends on your daily tasks and expectations. so the answer will change from person to person. my motive was to use donation money into this project for others to be able to see it before hand shelling out additional money for something they wont use everyday if not at all...

Initial personal expressions:
===================
* toucscreen is quite responsive, given that you are touching it correctly (not so harsh and not like silky touch either). And not to forget, this is resistive touchscreen (requires pressure) and not Capacitive like the iphone (requires extremely gentle touch which the screen emits electricity from your body to recognize, similar to toucpad. Stylus or anything pressure applied wont work without electrical conductivity)

* sensitivity can be trouble at times, as the screen becomes smudgy. Your finger may slide therefore touchscreen recognizes it as a move rather than tap. this is esp the case when you are holding it on a link or icon to enable right click Also this could be another trouble if you have big fingers (or toes if you use them as hands for any reasons)

* practicality as i said earlier is subjective. according to me, it is fine and usefull considering the small size of the touchpad. But if you have large fingers/nails, that can pose some trouble , you will understand if you have ever used resistive touchscreen like mojority of the pda/pda phones (except iphone and some new ones which uses capacitive touchscreen)

* touching the screen requires pressure as i said, and by physical rules, if you push something and there is not enough friction/force against the move, object will move in the direction of your push right? So obviously you have to hold the device one way or another. AS I SAID EARLIER, THIS IS RESISTIVE (REQUIRES PRESSURE, UNLIKE THE CAPACITIVE SCREEN ON IPHONE/ITOUCH)

* I got it from here tactile version which cost me ~90 GBP (125$) for this (thanx to all donators) So its no cheap in any means!

* Installation is relatively easy but at 1-2 points requires really good attention and gentle moves!!! This thing can easily be broken on wrong hands! So i suggest someone to have experience on fixing delicate stuff and very controlled hands and i mean it(not like a boxer sensitive) ... this is not just removing back cover.
I will explain it in a better with pics guide to show installation steps however, let me point this out. Front cover of the lcd is very thin plastic at certain sections. And glued to lcds side part! meaning when you remove the screws around the screen, it doesnt come to your hands easy! You will need to use a sharp and thin object to able to cut/remove the glue to seperate the lcd from the cover. Not only this, there is also glue left on the panel, which needs to be removed carefully for height restrictions as well... Not to discaurage anyone but also, touchscreen cable has to be folded around the screen and connected with the connecter which than needs to stay inside the cover correctly and not block any clips area! Oh boy, it sounds hard? No it is not just require attention, and sensitivity in applying forces around! And use of logic is highly required to estimate what is happening, and what will happen when you do stg
I am more than happy to asist those of you in UK for the process. I can also help you install it for a small fee if you send it to me (of course trust issues there..) Of course, dont forget, i m also human and prone to errors...

Overall process can take about 30 mins to 3-4 hrs depending on your ability to make it work!

Hope answers most if nt all...

[NSCXP2005]

Mysticus,

Do you have to have the touch screen for InkWell to work?

[ Mysticus C*]

Mysticus,

Do you have to have the touch screen for InkWell to work?

read my two previous comment

yes, it works now, but i m not entirely sure how it worked at the moment! bcoz i was not following it proparly... but my guess is related to tabletmagic and/or display scale factor dont ask me yet, as i was doing all of it at the same time...

because just clicking ink.menu didnt work... for me